Linear Algebra 2 Conceptual Questions (Vector spaces)

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The discussion revolves around conceptual questions related to vector spaces as presented in Axler's "Linear Algebra Done Right." Participants are exploring the notation used for sets and vector spaces, particularly the distinction between boldface notation for fields like \mathbf{R} and \mathbf{C} versus the notation for vector spaces like V.

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  • Participants are questioning the notation differences and the implications of stating a vector space over a field F. There is also discussion about whether stating V as a vector space implies it is over all of F.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the meaning of a vector space over F and the notation used. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these definitions and notations, with no explicit consensus reached on the reasoning behind the notation choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that understanding the context of the field F is crucial when discussing vector spaces, and there is a suggestion that the differences in notation may not have significant implications for understanding at this stage.

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Alrighty then :smile:

I am working through Axler's LA Done Right. I have 2 questions for now:

1.) He uses some notation that is confusing me. When referring to [itex]\mathbf{R} \text{ or }\mathbf{C}[/itex] as a set it is in BOLD but when he refers to a vector space as being the set V, it is not in boldface. Why?
2.) I am also a little confused by part of the definition of a Vector Space.

Def: A vector space is a set V along with an addition on V and a scalar multiplication on V such
that the following properties hold: commutativity, associativity, ...etc.

(Here is where I get confused)
The scalar multiplication in a vector space depends upon F (where F can refer to either [itex]\mathbf{R}\text{ or }\mathbf{C}[/itex]). Thus when we need to be precise, we will say that V is a vector space over F instead of simply saying that V is a vector space. For example, Rn is a vector space over R and Cn is a vector space over C.
Can someone clarify what he means by a vector space over F or over R and how that is different from just saying a vector space?

He never actually says what this means.

Thanks!
 
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A vector space over F means that the 'scalars' are elements of F. So a vector space over R means that the scalars are real numbers. You can also have a complex vector space, where the scalars are complex numbers. In general, F can be any field, which is type of set, of which the real and complex numbers the most familiar examples.
 
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dx said:
A vector space over F means that the 'scalars' are elements of F. So a vector space over R means that the scalars are real numbers. You can also have a complex vector space, where the scalars are complex numbers. In general, F can be any field, which is type of set, of which the real and complex numbers the most familiar examples.

So if we were to just say that V is a vector space, does that automatically imply over all of F?


Also: dx, do you know why F, C, and R are in boldface whereas V is not?
 
Saladsamurai said:
So if we were to just say that V is a vector space, does that automatically imply over all of F?

Sometimes we can just say V is a vector space if it is understood from the context what the field F is. There's no such thing as a vector space "over all of F". You must always say what F is. For example, you may say F = R if you want a real vector space, or F = C if you want a complex vector space.
Saladsamurai said:
Also: dx, do you know why F, C, and R are in boldface whereas V is not?

I don't think there's any particular reason.
 
It's possible the author is using different typesets to separate sets from vector spaces. So a plain set or a field would be boldfaced, whereas a vector space, which is actually a quadruple - a set, a field, and a multiplication and addition function - is not boldfaced. Don't try to look too deeply into the difference between a vector space and the set of elements that make up a vector space since it's just likely to make your brain hurt without gaining any real insight at the moment
 
It looks to me like the author is using bold face for fields as distinguished from the vector spaces.
 

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