Linear Algebra - Dimension of Kernel

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship involving the dimensions of the kernels of linear transformations between finite-dimensional vector spaces. The original poster presents a problem that requires demonstrating that the dimension of the kernel of the composition of two linear maps is less than or equal to the sum of the dimensions of their individual kernels.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the kernels of the transformations and their images, questioning how to establish the inequality involving dimensions. There is an exploration of the implications of vectors in the null space of the transformations and how they relate to the composition.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to understand the problem and clarify specific points. Some have provided insights into the relationships between the kernels, while others are seeking clarification on certain statements made regarding the null spaces.

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Participants note that they are working within the context of a linear algebra course, which may impose certain constraints on their approaches and understanding of the problem. There is also mention of previous discussions on similar topics, indicating a shared learning environment.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that U and V are finite-dimensional vector spaces and that S is in L(V, W), T is in L(U, V). Prove that

dim[Ker(ST)] <= dim[Ker(S)] + dim[Ker(T)]

Homework Equations


(*) dim[Ker(S)] = dim(U) - dim[Im(T)]
(**) dim[Ker(T)] = dim(V) - dim[Im(S)]

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that ST is in L(U, W), so dim[Ker(ST)] = dim(U) - dim[Im(ST)]. So now I need to show:

dim(U) - dim[Im(ST)] <= dim(U) + dim(V) - dim[Im(T)] - dim[Im(S)]

But that just boils down to showing that dim[Im(ST)] is greater than dim[Im(T)] + dim[Im(S)]. It seems like I didn't really get anywhere. What am I missing? Thanks for your help.
 
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steelphantom said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that U and V are finite-dimensional vector spaces and that S is in L(V, W), T is in L(U, V). Prove that

dim[Ker(ST)] <= dim[Ker(S)] + dim[Ker(T)]

Homework Equations


(*) dim[Ker(S)] = dim(U) - dim[Im(T)]
(**) dim[Ker(T)] = dim(V) - dim[Im(S)]

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that ST is in L(U, W), so dim[Ker(ST)] = dim(U) - dim[Im(ST)]. So now I need to show:

dim(U) - dim[Im(ST)] <= dim(U) + dim(V) - dim[Im(T)] - dim[Im(S)]

But that just boils down to showing that dim[Im(ST)] is greater than dim[Im(T)] + dim[Im(S)]. It seems like I didn't really get anywhere. What am I missing? Thanks for your help.

Are you and rjw5002 taking the same course? My response to his identical question is here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=215288
 
We must be taking the same course. It's the second course in Linear Algebra at Penn State. I read your post where you said the following:

Suppose v is in the null space of T. Then Tv= 0 so STv= 0 and v is in the null space of ST. That shows that the null space of T is a subspace of the null space of ST. Now suppose v is in U but NOT in the null space of T. Then Tv is a non-zero vector in V and, in order that STv=0, must be in the null space of T. That is, v is in T-1(null space of V). That set cannot have dimension larger than dim(null space of S). Putting those together, the dimension of the null space of TS cannot be larger than the dim(null space of S)+ dim(null space of T).

So I understand how you show that T is a subspace of Ker(ST), but what do you mean by "in order that STv=0, must be in the null space of T. That is, v is in T-1(null space of V)."? I'm not really sure what this is saying.
 
Did I say that? Of course, that's a typo. If Tv is such that S(Tv)= 0, then Tv is in the null space of S. So that v itself is in T-1(null space of S).
 

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