Linear Density, center of mass of a rod

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The problem involves a metal rod with a specified linear density function, p(x) = 1/(100-x) gm/cm, and requires finding the mass and center of mass of the rod. The rod is 50 cm long, and participants are exploring the implications of the density function on these calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration needed to find mass and moment, with some questioning the method for calculating the moment. There are attempts to clarify the integration process and the relationship between mass and center of mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to calculate the mass and moment, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their results. Guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the formulation of the linear density for a second part of the problem, which involves a different density function.

Contextual Notes

Participants are also addressing a second part of the problem that requires a new linear density function based on given values at the ends of the rod. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive this new function.

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Homework Statement


A metal rod is 50cm long. Its linear density at the point x cm from the left end is given by the equation p(x)=1/(100-x) gm/cm. Find the mass and center of mass for the rod.


Homework Equations


mass = \int p(x)dx
center of mass = moment / mass

The Attempt at a Solution


mass = the integral of 1/(100-x)dx... = -ln(100-x) evaluated at 0 and 50 = .63

what i don't know is how to find the moment. Please help
 
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smyers33 said:

Homework Statement


A metal rod is 50cm long. Its linear density at the point x cm from the left end is given by the equation p(x)=1/(100-x) gm/cm. Find the mass and center of mass for the rod.


Homework Equations


mass = \int p(x)dx
center of mass = moment / mass

The Attempt at a Solution


mass = the integral of 1/(100-x)dx... = -ln(100-x) evaluated at 0 and 50 = .63

what i don't know is how to find the moment. Please help

The first moment is

\int_0^L xp(x)\, dx
 
So all I do is take the integral of x/(100-x)dx going from 0-50, to find the first moment?
 
smyers33 said:
So all I do is take the integral of x/(100-x)dx going from 0-50, to find the first moment?

Yes. And if you wanted it for something, you would get the second moment using x2.
 
Okay here's what I got, hopefully I'm right.

mass = ∫1/(100-x)dx = -ln(|x-100|) solved at 0 and 50 = ln(2)
moment = ∫x/(100-x)dx = -(100*ln(|x-100|)+x) solved at 0 and 50 = 50*(2*ln(2)-1)
center of mass = moment/mass ≈27.8652 cm ? hopefully :)

and if this is correct there is also a second part stating. "repeat the problem, assuming that the density changes linearly and that the density is 0.01 gm/cm at the left end and 0.02 gm/cm at the right end." -- For this part I know I need to come up with a new p(x). but I am unsure how to go about it. Thanks for the help





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For the linear density change you just use the definition of what a line is. So, p(x)=kx+p(0) I guess. Then use the give value of p(0) and p(50) to find the slope. After that repeat the integration part of the problem.
 
smyers33 said:
Okay here's what I got, hopefully I'm right.

mass = ∫1/(100-x)dx = -ln(|x-100|) solved at 0 and 50 = ln(2)
moment = ∫x/(100-x)dx = -(100*ln(|x-100|)+x) solved at 0 and 50 = 50*(2*ln(2)-1)
center of mass = moment/mass ≈27.8652 cm ? hopefully :)

That is correct.

and if this is correct there is also a second part stating. "repeat the problem, assuming that the density changes linearly and that the density is 0.01 gm/cm at the left end and 0.02 gm/cm at the right end." -- For this part I know I need to come up with a new p(x). but I am unsure how to go about it. Thanks for the help

It is just simple algebra. You need the equation of a straight line between two points x=0,p=.01 and x=50,p =.02.
 
Oh, and LCKurz left out one detail. The center of mass is the sum of all the masses in a system times their positions divided by the total mass. So, the answer would be that integral divided by the total mass. You should also check the answer that you got from taking the integral. Mainly watch the substitution u=100-x => x=100-u.
 
eshaw said:
Oh, and LCKurz left out one detail. The center of mass is the sum of all the masses in a system times their positions divided by the total mass. So, the answer would be that integral divided by the total mass. You should also check the answer that you got from taking the integral. Mainly watch the substitution u=100-x => x=100-u.

I didn't "leave out" any detail. The question was how to determine p(x).
 
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Sorry LCKurtz, I didn't read this post carefully enough I guess.smyers33 got the correct answer and you gave him all the correct information. So, I kind of wasted my time posting...
 

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