Linear expansion by heat for an object

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The discussion centers on the concept of linear expansion due to heat, specifically addressing a problem involving a square plate with a round hole. Participants express frustration over the quality of the images provided, which hinder understanding of the problem statement. There is a debate about whether the diameter of the hole increases or decreases when the plate is heated, with some asserting it expands while others initially suggest it shrinks. Clarifications are made regarding the physics of expansion, emphasizing that gaps expand similarly to solid materials. The conversation highlights the importance of clear communication and accurate representations in solving physics problems.
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Homework Statement


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http://i.imgur.com/swYr8aw.jpg

Homework Equations



delta L=LalphadeltaT

The Attempt at a Solution


sorry for s**ty handwriting look at #8[/B]
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http://i.imgur.com/59Ew8vJ.jpg

edit:click the links please. The forum software cropped the quality of the photo.
 

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I cannot read the problem statement. If I blow it up large enough to be read it is just a blur.
 
haruspex said:
I cannot read the problem statement. If I blow it up large enough to be read it is just a blur.
fixed problem
 
ehf said:
fixed problem
The linked image is hardly any better. Why not take a closer shot instead of leaving all that whitespace?
 
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That's the best I can do with computer enhancement .

I could not do much with the other image .
 
Nidum said:
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That's the best I can do with computer enhancement .

I could not do much with the other image .
Much better. I concur with both answers.
 
haruspex said:
Much better. I concur with both answers.
Nidum said:
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That's the best I can do with computer enhancement .

I could not do much with the other image .
The imgur link should be just fine. I can read it on all magnification. The server cropped the displaying image whatever i did
 
@ehf . We understand the question now .

This type of problem comes up frequently and once you understand one simple principle solving these problems becomes easy and usually requires little calculation .

Consider a square plate with a round hole in it - do you think that the hole gets larger or smaller in diameter when the plate is heated ?
 
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smaller because of expansion @Nidum
(i have an exam coming up so i may not access frequently...)
 
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Nidum said:
Consider a square plate with a round hole in it - do you think that the hole gets larger or smaller in diameter when the plate is heated ?

ehf said:
smaller
I must be missing something.
My reading of the answer to a) at the link, messy as it is, is that the gap increases, which is correct.
@Nidum's post #8 implies that at some point in @ehf's posts it is stated that the gap will shrink, but I cannot find such.
In response to the direct question from Nidum, ehf says that a gap would shrink.
@Nidum, what made you suspect ehf would answer wrongly?
 
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I was working towards explaining the basic physics of expansion . In particular that gaps expand in the same way as solid metal .

I was still having difficulty reading ehf's writing when I made that posting .
 
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my fault...it doesn't shrink anywhere...only stretches
well please do not use the image on the thread. imgur images are almost megabytes while the images on the forum are kilobytes
im sorry i can't convert it to text now
 

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