Linear system and potential transformer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the linearity of potential transformers and methods to prove or analyze this property. Participants explore the applicability of the principle of superposition, time-domain impulses, and frequency domain responses in establishing linearity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about proving whether a potential transformer is a linear system and suggests using the principle of superposition with time-domain impulses.
  • Another participant states that superposition is typically the method to demonstrate linearity, emphasizing that it must hold for any pair of signals, not just impulses.
  • A participant challenges the notion of using frequency domain response to prove linearity, noting that the concept of a single frequency domain response is not applicable until the system is established as linear and time-invariant.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the implications of using the FFT in the z-domain, specifically whether a non-linear system can have a frequency domain response.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods to prove linearity, particularly regarding the use of superposition and frequency domain analysis. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of non-linearity in the context of frequency responses.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for superposition to hold for arbitrary signals, not just specific cases, and question the applicability of frequency domain responses in non-linear systems. These points introduce limitations in the discussion without resolving them.

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Hi,

Does anyone knows how to prove that a potential transformer is a linear system or not? Can I use principle of superposition with time-domain impulse to prove it? Is there other ways other than the principle of superposition to prove linearity of a potential transformer? Is there a way to use the frequency domain response to prove? If yes, how should I go about doing it?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Superposition would normally be the way you would show that a system was linear.
 
rain2359 said:
Does anyone knows how to prove that a potential transformer is a linear system or not? Can I use principle of superposition with time-domain impulse to prove it? Is there other ways other than the principle of superposition to prove linearity of a potential transformer?

superposition is essentially synonymous with linearity. it's what linearity means.

but one problem with what you're saying is that for some system to be linear, superposition has to work with the sum of any pair of signals, not just impulses.

L\left\{ x_1(t) + x_2(t) \right\} = L\left\{ x_1(t) \right\} + L\left\{ x_2(t) \right\} \quad \forall x_1(t), x_2(t)

you don't get to pick the x_1(t), x_2(t), the devil hands you a pair and you have to show the above equation is true no matter what he hands you.

Is there a way to use the frequency domain response to prove?

there really is no such concept of a single frequency domain response until you are already past the point of linear and time-invariant.
 
Hi, thanks for the reply.

May I know, if I am working using the FFT, which means the z-domain, does it still holds that if my system is not linear, there will not be able to have any frequency domain response to describe my system?

Thanks.
 

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