Liquid CO2 Volume\Weight Measurment in Cylinder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the volume of liquid CO2 transferred between two cylinders using pressure measurements. Participants explore methods to determine the volume of liquid CO2 in a receiving cylinder without using flow meters or weight scales, focusing on the relationship between pressure and volume under specific conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • David seeks a method to measure the volume of liquid CO2 transferred using pressure measurements, assuming consistent conditions across transfers.
  • One participant suggests using a measuring chamber to fill the receiving cylinder from the supply cylinder, though this does not directly address David's request for calculations.
  • David clarifies the need for calculations relating to the volume of CO2 at a given pressure and vice versa, specifically for liquid CO2 in a fixed container.
  • Another participant explains that the pressure of liquid CO2 in the container corresponds to its equilibrium vapor pressure, which depends on temperature but not on the amount of liquid CO2 present.
  • This participant notes the potential influence of air pressure in the receiving cylinder, suggesting that if air cannot escape, the pressure will increase with added liquid CO2, complicating the measurement.
  • To estimate the amount of liquid CO2, it is necessary to separate the contributions of air pressure from the total pressure and to know the equilibrium vapor pressure at the container's temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and considerations for measuring liquid CO2 volume, but no consensus is reached on a specific calculation method or approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to measure the volume of CO2 using pressure.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need to account for air pressure in the receiving cylinder and the importance of knowing the equilibrium vapor pressure, indicating potential limitations in the proposed methods.

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Hello,

I have been working on a personal project involving the transfer of liquid CO2. I want to figure out a way to measure the transfer of liquid CO2 from one cylinder (supply cylinder) to another (receiving cylinder) and get an exact measurement of how much CO2 was transferred into the receiving cylinder. I am interested in finding out if there is a way to determine the volume of liquid CO2 in the receiving cylinder by using pressure measurements. For example, if I know a certain volume of CO2 in a fixed size container produces a certain pressure measurement can I say that every transfer of liquid CO2 into a similar cylinder will produce the same volume, assuming all conditions are the same? Any direction is appreciated.

Parameters:
  1. I do not want to use a flow meter as they are very expensive.
  2. I do not want to use a weight scale as I already used that method.
  3. For this experiment I want to transfer 16oz of liquid CO2 from the supply cylinder to the receiving cylinder.
  4. Let’s assume the supply tank is a standard 50lb Dip Tube CO2 liquid supply cylinder.
  5. Let’s assume the receiving cylinder is initially empty.
  6. Lest assume the receiving cylinder is rated for max 20oz capacity.
Any direction is appreciated and if you have any further questions let me know.

Regards,

David
 
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A device commonly used for plain liquids is the measuring chamber . An intermediate cylinder of known volume is first filled from the main cylinder and then discharged into the receiver cylinder .
 
Hi Nidum, Thanks for your reply. I am looking more for calculations to determine Volume of CO2 at a given pressure for a given amount and/or Pressure of CO2 at a given volume for a given amount using a fixed container size assuming that the CO2 is always in liquid state.
 
As long as you have liquid CO2 in that container, the pressure of the CO2 vapors will be the so called "equilibrium vapor pressure" which depend on the temperature but not on the amount of liquid.
However, you also have some contribution from the air left in the container. When you say "initially empty" I believe you mean full of air and not vacuumed, right?
Now, if this air cannot escape from the second container as you fill it up, the air pressure will increase as you add more liquid. If this is the case and if you can separate the contribution of air pressure from the total pressure, you may be able to use it to estimate amount of liquid.
But you will need to know the equilibrium vapor pressure at the temperature inside the container.
 

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