Logic Puzzle: Is 0=1 When ∞=1/0?

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The discussion revolves around the logic puzzle of whether the equation 0=1 can be derived from the assertion that ∞=1/0. Participants explore the implications of division by zero and the nature of infinity in various mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that ∞=1/0 leads to the conclusion that 0*∞=1, and thus 0=1, questioning the validity of this logic.
  • Several participants point out that division by zero is undefined, challenging the initial premise.
  • Infinity is described by some as not being a number that can be used in arithmetic operations.
  • One participant suggests that while traditional arithmetic does not accommodate infinity, there are mathematical structures, such as the extended reals, where infinity is defined, but still leads to undefined operations like 0*∞.
  • Another participant discusses hypothetical number systems that could include infinity, noting that such systems would not retain all properties of conventional arithmetic, particularly highlighting the contradiction that would arise from 0=1.
  • The Riemann sphere is mentioned as a number system that includes an element ∞, but it is also noted that 0*∞ remains undefined in that context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of the original logic presented. While some emphasize the undefined nature of division by zero and the limitations of using infinity in arithmetic, others explore the concept of hypothetical number systems that could include infinity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of infinity and the varying properties of different mathematical systems. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these definitions on the original claim.

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∞=1/0

so: 0* ∞=1

so: 0=1


Why is this, or have i made a mistake somewhere in my logic?

Thanks
 
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Division by zero is undefined.
 
Also, infinity is not an entity upon which you can do arithmetic.
 
ojsimon said:
Why is this, or have i made a mistake somewhere in my logic?
You probably have made a mistake. Have you learned any arithmetic systems that include a number called ∞? If not, then you made a mistake simply by writing ∞.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Also, infinity is not an entity upon which you can do arithmetic.
If by "infinity" you mean "a vague and undefined notion that you don't really know anything about", then you're certainly correct.


But there are arithmetic structures that do include an object / some objects called infinity, and you can do arithmetic there. e.g. in elementary calculus you (implicitly) learn about one such number system: the extended reals.



Of course, in the extended reals, 1/0 is undefined, as is 0*(+∞).

And even in the projective reals where 1/0=∞, 0*∞ is still undefined.
 
Hurkyl said:
You probably have made a mistake. Have you learned any arithmetic systems that include a number called ∞? If not, then you made a mistake simply by writing ∞.
Just to expand on this...

In mathematics (and other disciplines) we might speculate -- we might consider "if we had a number system with something called ∞, how might that work out?"

And as your calculation shows, if we had such a number system with the properties that 1/0=∞, division has the property that a/b=c implies a=bc, and multiplication has the property that 0*x=0, then the number system couldn't be very useful because we could prove that 0=1.

But the calculation in this hypothetical number system says nothing about the real numbers (or the complex numbers, or the integers, or the extended real numbers or anything else). And it tells us that if we want a number system that contains ∞, we shouldn't insist on all of the properties we used in the above calculation.
 
There is a number system (the Riemann sphere) that has an element [tex]\infty[/tex].
But even there, the product [tex]0\cdot\infty[/tex] is undefined.
 

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