What is the formula for ranking combinations of two sets of numbers?

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula to rank combinations of two sets of numbers, focusing on the likelihood of each combination occurring based on their respective rankings. The context includes mathematical reasoning and exploratory inquiry into probability and combinations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Tegga seeks a formula to rank combinations of two sets of numbers, emphasizing that certain combinations are more likely than others based on their rankings.
  • One participant questions the assertion that the combination 1-1 is more likely than 12-10, suggesting that all combinations should be considered equally likely unless additional context is provided.
  • Tegga clarifies that the rankings of the numbers in each set influence the likelihood of combinations, with higher-ranked numbers being more likely to occur together.
  • Another participant proposes that multiplying the probabilities of individual events from each list could yield the likelihood of combinations, assuming independence between the two sets.
  • A participant suggests looking into Spearman's rank correlation coefficient as a potential resource, though Tegga expresses uncertainty about its relevance to their query.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the likelihood of combinations or the appropriate method for ranking them. There are competing views on how to interpret the likelihood of combinations based on rankings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks a clear definition of how rankings are determined and does not resolve the assumptions regarding the independence of events in the proposed probability calculations.

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Greetings Mathlings,

I am Tegga from a different planet, where the knowledge of maths is very ordinary. I need your help. I am looking for a formula to rank 2 sets of numbers. The first set is, say 1 to 12 - but it could be anything from 1 to a maximum of 30. The second set is again, say 10, but could be anything from 1 to 30.

If I combine the 2 lists in every possible combination, eg 1-1, 1-2...12-10. There would be a total possible 120 combinations in a list of 10 and 12. The combination of 1-1 is the most likely combination, while the combination of 12-10 is the least likely.

What I am looking for is a formula which will give a weighting of the probability of any particular combination, so that the whole 120 combinations have some sort of probability rating. The problem is that as we move down the list, the likelihood of each combination gets less, but not in a linear fashion.

Is there such a formula, do you know?

Thanks

tegga
 
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How do you mean, 1-1 is the most likely combination?
Given the sets {1, ..., 12} and {1, ... 10}, isn't 1-1 as likely as 12-10?
Or do you mean that we consider all combinations from the sets {1, ..., n} and {1, ..., m} simultaneously (in which case, 1-1 occurs for all n and m, while 12-10 only occurs for n > 11 and m > 9 making it less likely)?
 
Thanks for your reply -

Lets say that the numbers {1 - n} are ranked in the order that is most likely to occur, as are the numbers in the second list {1 - m}. In combining the 2 lists, eg {1-1}, given that they are the highest ranked, ergo the most likely, numbers in each of the lists, this combination is the most likely to occur. Given that {12 - 10} are the lowest ranked numbers in each of the lists, this combination, while possible, is the least likely to occur.

Does that make sense?

Cheers
 
I think you simply need to multiply the probabilities.

For as long as the series of listed events in list 1 are independent of the series of events in list 2.

For example of instead of numbers {1, 2, 3} and {3, 5, 8, 11}, we list their probabilities {0.5, 0.3, 0.2} and { 0.4, 0.3, 0.2, 0.1} ...then

0.5x0.4=0.2
0.5x0.3=0.15
0.5x0.2=0.1
0.5x0.1=0.05
0.3x0.4=0.12
0.3x0.3=0.09
0.3x0.2=0.06
0.3x0.1=0.03
0.2x0.4=0.08
0.2x0.3=0.06
0.2x0.2=0.04
0.2x0.1=0.02
 
Hmmmmmmmm

I'll have a look and see if I can do that...

Thanks
 
Thanks,

I don't think that is what I'm after...what I could understand of it that is...Remember, I'm from a different planet. But...er...ummm..thanks anyway
 

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