Lorentz Transform: Justifying Use in Acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in scenarios involving an accelerating electron in an electric field between parallel plates. Participants explore the justification for using these transformations despite their lack of explicit consideration for acceleration.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using Lorentz transformations for an accelerating electron, noting that the transformations do not account for acceleration.
  • Another participant suggests that one can transform to a frame where the electron is instantaneously at rest, implying that this approach circumvents concerns about the electron's acceleration history.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while Lorentz transformations can always be applied, they may not simplify the problem, advocating for the rest frame of the capacitor as a potentially simpler frame for analysis.
  • A reference is provided for further reading on the motion of charged particles in external electromagnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability and utility of Lorentz transformations in the context of acceleration, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the limitations of applying Lorentz transformations to accelerating systems, nor does it clarify the assumptions underlying the use of different reference frames.

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In a standard problem of an electron released from the negative plate in an E field between 2 parallel plates in which the velocity must be determined why can the Lorentz transformation be used (involving v^2/c^2) when the electron is undergoing acceleration and there is nothing in the transformations concerning acceleration? (I know the E field parallel o the direction of motion is unchanged) How does one justify using these transformations in a system undergoing acceleration?
 
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You can transform to the frame where the electron is instantaneously at rest without worrying about the history of how it comes to have that speed or how long it will remain at that speed. There is such a frame for any speed less than c, so there is always such a frame available. Then you can think about electromagnetic forces in that frame, or whatever you want to do.

Does that answer your question?
 
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In a standard problem of an electron released from the negative plate in an E field between 2 parallel plates in which the velocity must be determined why can the Lorentz transformation be used (involving v^2/c^2) when the electron is undergoing acceleration and there is nothing in the transformations concerning acceleration? (I know the E field parallel o the direction of motion is unchanged) How does one justify using these transformations in a system undergoing acceleration?
You can always use the Lorentz transform, but it doesn't always help make a problem easier to solve. In this case, I think that the simplest frame is the rest frame of the capacitor. As you seem to recognize, an accelerating electron will only be at rest momentarily in any inertial frame.
 
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