Lottery Probability: Find 7 Numbers Out of 20

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The discussion centers around calculating the probability of correctly selecting 7 numbers from a set of 20 drawn from a total of 80 numbers in a lottery game. Participants explore various combinatorial approaches to determine the correct formula for this probability, considering different scenarios and assumptions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula C(80,7)/C(80,20) to find the probability of selecting 7 numbers correctly.
  • Another participant argues that none of the initial formulas are correct, citing an extreme case that leads to probabilities greater than 1, and proposes C(20,7)/C(80,7) as a potential solution.
  • A different participant considers fixing 7 numbers and calculating the favorable cases as C(73,13)/C(80,20), questioning the reasoning behind the other proposed formulas.
  • One participant notes that their derived formula C(20,7)/C(80,7) yields the same result as C(73,13)/C(80,20), expressing uncertainty about the reasoning but suggesting both approaches may be valid.
  • Another participant provides a broader context of the game Keno, detailing the general case of choosing n numbers from 80 and matching k of them, presenting a comprehensive formula for calculating the probability of matching k numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formula for calculating the probability. Multiple competing views and formulas are presented, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their reasoning and others proposing different approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on combinatorial reasoning, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the selection process and the nature of the lottery game. There are unresolved questions regarding the equivalence of the proposed formulas and the conditions under which they apply.

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I watch lastly a lottery game : there are 80 numbers, from them 20 are selected, and you can choose for example to find 7 numbers out of the 20.

I'm looking for the probability to find 7 numbers, is it simply C(80,7)/C(80,20) or is it 20!/13!/C(80,20) or C(80,13)/C(80,20) ?
 
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I can tell that none of those are right. Consider the extreme case where the game show picked 80 (instead of 20) out of 80 . Then C(80,80)=1, so all those formulas would give numbers much larger than 1. They must all be wrong. At the moment, I'm not sure what the correct answer is. What about C(20,7) / C(80,7)? That is the ratio of all your possible picks from the special 20 over all your possible picks from the original 80.
 
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I thought a bit about the following : I fix 7 numbers over 80, there remains 13 numbers to choose freely among 73, these are the favorable cases, whereas all the cases are 20 numbers chosen between 80, hence : C(73,13)/C(80,20) ?
 
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I thought a bit about the following : I fix 7 numbers over 80, there remains 13 numbers to choose freely among 73, these are the favorable cases, whereas all the cases are 20 numbers chosen between 80, hence : C(73,13)/C(80,20) ?

My equation above, C(20,7)/C(80,7) gives exactly the same answer as yours (C(73,13)/C(80,20) = 2.4402556E-5). I'm not sure I follow your reasoning, but since we came at it from two different logic directions, I bet they are both right. I tried to see how they could be identical, but it got too messy for me.
 
Your expressions are the same. The game is Keno. More generally than your case, you choose n numbers from 80 where n is less than or equal to 20. 20 numbers are then drawn and you win if you match k of them where k is less than or equal to n. There are C(80,20) total combinations of 20 drawn from 80. You are holding n numbers. There are C(n,k) combinations of k from n. The rest of the numbers drawn do not match yours, that is 20-k drawn from the remaining 80-n. There are C(80-n,20-k) ways to do that. So the probability of matching k of your n numbers is C(n,k)C(80-n,20-k)/C(80,20). In the special case where you match all of your n numbers, k=n and P=C(80-n,20-n)/C(80,20). If n=7 then P=C(73,13)/C(80,20).
 
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