Lower bounds on energy eigenvalues

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The discussion revolves around methods for calculating lower bounds on energy eigenvalues in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the Variational method, which is known for providing upper bounds. Participants explore whether there are established techniques for obtaining lower bounds, including for excited states beyond the ground state.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to calculate lower bounds on energy eigenvalues, expressing interest in techniques applicable to both ground and excited states.
  • Another participant suggests that the Uncertainty principle can provide a lower bound for energy spectra, noting that its application may vary by case and cannot be generally formulated.
  • The same participant describes a method for finding upper bounds for excited states by guessing wave functions that are orthogonal to previously chosen states.
  • A later reply indicates a desire for an inequality relation similar to Temple's inequality, specifically using expectation values of the Hamiltonian for energies other than the ground state.
  • One participant admits a lack of knowledge regarding Temple's inequality and is unable to assist further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of familiarity with specific methods and inequalities, and there is no consensus on a definitive approach to calculating lower bounds on energy eigenvalues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a general method applicable to excited states.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations in formulating a general approach for lower bounds and the dependence on specific cases and assumptions regarding wave functions.

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Hi,
I'm interested in learning about what would be the compliment to the Variational method. I'm aware that the Variational method allows one to calculate upper bounds, but I'm wondering about methods to calculate lower bounds on energy eigenvalues. And for energies besides the ground state if such methods exist.

Are there methods to calculate lower bounds on energy eigenvalues (the ground state and higher)?

Thanks,
 
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The lower bound for an energy spectrum is provided by the Uncertainty principle. You should just be able to use it properly. I think with a little thought, you can use it to find the lower bound for any state but it can't be generally formulated and is different for each case.
About finding the energy upper bound for states other than the ground state. For the ground state, you just guess(it can be an educated guess) a wave function and calculate the Hamiltonian's expectation value in that state and minimize it.
For the first excited state, you should again guess a wave function, but this time, you have the condition that this wave function should be orthogonal to the one you chose for the ground state. Then you do the same thing as the last case.
For second excited state, the wave function you guess should be orthogonal to the last two wave functions and so on.
 
Shyan said:
The lower bound for an energy spectrum is provided by the Uncertainty principle. You should just be able to use it properly. I think with a little thought, you can use it to find the lower bound for any state but it can't be generally formulated and is different for each case.
About finding the energy upper bound for states other than the ground state. For the ground state, you just guess(it can be an educated guess) a wave function and calculate the Hamiltonian's expectation value in that state and minimize it.
For the first excited state, you should again guess a wave function, but this time, you have the condition that this wave function should be orthogonal to the one you chose for the ground state. Then you do the same thing as the last case.
For second excited state, the wave function you guess should be orthogonal to the last two wave functions and so on.

Thanks for your response. You already taught me something! However, I was thinking more along the lines of something like Temple's inequality. An inequality relation using expectation values of the Hamiltonian. I have been trying to find something similar for other energies besides the ground state.
 
I don't know about that inequality so I can't help.
 

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