Using the Variational Method to get higher sates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Variational Method in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on how to approximate higher energy states beyond the ground state. Participants explore different strategies for selecting ansatz functions and the implications of orthogonality in the context of Hamiltonians.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of using the Variational Method to approximate the ground state and suggests a method for finding higher energy states by selecting an ansatz orthogonal to the ground state.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach of starting with a set of functions that are expected to span both the ground and first excited states, leading to the diagonalization of a 2x2 matrix for energy approximations.
  • A third participant highlights the importance of the relationship between the number of nodes in the wave function and the level of excitation, particularly in single-particle systems.
  • Further, a participant notes the usefulness of summarizing techniques for choosing the ansatz and mentions the behavior of wave functions in classically restricted regions.
  • One participant expresses a sentiment that while creating trial functions can be enjoyable, assigned problems often dictate the ansatz, which detracts from the creative aspect of the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the problem of finding higher energy states using the Variational Method. There is no consensus on a single method or technique, and various strategies are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities involved in selecting appropriate ansatz functions and the implications of orthogonality, particularly in relation to the properties of wave functions in different energy states.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring advanced methods for energy state approximations and the Variational Method.

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An intro quantum course will teach you the Variational Method for approximating the ground state by minimizing an ansatz. But what about higher states?
In a typical quantum course we learn how to approximate the ground state of a particular Hamiltonian by making an educated guess at an ansatz with a tunable parameter then calculating the expectation energy for the ansatz. The result will depend on the tunable parameter if done correctly. Then we can minimize the energy with respect to that parameter, and that can give nice results approximating the ground state and energy. Cool stuff.

I have been wondering about what kind of algorithm we could cook up to find higher energy states. Say you have some Hamiltonian, H. We can apply the Variational method to get the ground state ψ0 and E0. Since the true energy states span the hilbert space, then we would hope that the expansion of ψ0 would mostly be composed of the true ground state. We could then apply the variational method again, but this time choose an ansatz, ψ1, which is orthogonal to ψ1. Assuming that ψ0 was a good guess, then ψ1 will be "mostly" orthogonal to the true ground state. Then the application of the variational method will result in an energy that will be closer to the first excited state energy. In fact, it would be easy to prove that if ψ0 is the exact ground state, then the energy of ψ1 will be bounded below by the first excited state energy.

This kind of has the feel of applying the Graham Schmidt process for finding orthogonal basis vectors, except the resulting basis is ordered by the energy. I assume there is some sort of algorithm out there to do this. The tricky part is how to handle the step of choosing the ansatz.

Let me know your thoughts and if you have seen something like this before.
 
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The easier way of doing this is to start by picking a set of functions that you can guess are going to be close to spanning the ground state and the first excited state. You can then compute the matrix elements of the Hamiltonian in this subspace and you will get a 2x2 matrix that you can diagonalise to get approximations for the energies.

If you wish you can always let the functions in this procedure depend on some parameters and minimize the energies with respect to those parameters as well.
 
To avoid having the ansatz being "accidentally" orthogonal to the first excited state too, it's good to remember how the number of nodes depends on the level of excitation. At least this works in single-particle problems where there are no complications of making the wave function antisymmetric in the exchange of identical fermions.
 
Good point. There are a lot of nice tricks that would be nice to see summarized somewhere as far as techniques for choosing the ansatz. It is also useful to look at when the particle is in a "classically restricted region" (E < V(x)). In these regions, the wave function will be concave down (as easily shown from the Schrödinger equation).

Coming up with the trial functions can be a fun game, but unfortunately most assigned problems tell you what ansatz to use, which is all the fun. The rest is tedious calculation.
 

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