Magnet in a AC current solenoid

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of placing a magnet inside a solenoid carrying an alternating current (AC). Participants explore the implications of the AC magnetic field on the magnet's properties, including demagnetization and the behavior of magnetic dipoles within the magnet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that placing a magnet in an AC solenoid will lead to demagnetization, questioning whether the magnetic field enters the magnet in the opposite direction and disaligns it.
  • Another participant states that a rapidly alternating magnetic field will disrupt the magnetic structure, leading to a loss of magnetization.
  • A different perspective considers the magnet as composed of many atoms, explaining that the magnetic field applies torque on electron magnetic dipoles, which may initially cause precession before aligning with the applied field if it is strong enough.
  • A participant provides a link to a document discussing the demagnetization of transformer cores, noting that while the B-H curve differs from that of permanent magnets, the underlying principle remains similar.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms and outcomes of placing a magnet in an AC solenoid, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the demagnetization process or the behavior of magnetic dipoles.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the strength of the magnetic field and the nature of the materials involved, which are not fully explored or defined in the discussion.

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when you place a magnet into a solenoid with a ac current it will get demagnetised. So does this mean that the magnetic field will go into the magnet in the opposite direction of the magnet's own magnetic field? and disalign it. meaning will the magnetic field enter the magnet as though it is like another piece of iron?

thanks for the help!
 
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A rapidly alternating mag field will dis-arrage the mag-wessels. hence deenergising the same.
 
Perhaps it's easier to consider the magnet as a large number of atoms. Since electron and protons have very small dimensions, most of the atom is empty space ( vacuum). So, the magnetic field "enters" the magnet. The filed there applies toque on electron magnetic dipoles.The torque doesn't simply rotate the dipole to get parallel with the field but it initially cause precession. the precession damps usually after a short time ( in order of nano-seconds) and the new alignment would be parallel with the applied field ( assumed strong enough to case the reversal)
 
This link,
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rey3Dw&usg=AFQjCNGKy8swuzdp-t8dpWyhgMX3vsrpTg

on page 27 & 28 (PDF pages 29 & 30) speaks to demagnetizing of transformer cores that have retained magnetism.

They have a different shaped B-H curve than your permanent magnet but principle is same.

If thet link doesn't work, search on : ittechinfoappguide.pdf

and pick this one: www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot235.nsf/.../ittechinfoappguide.pdf
 

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