Magnetic Dipole Field from a Loop of Wire

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around understanding the magnetic dipole field generated by a loop of wire. Participants explore the mathematical representation of the magnetic field, its visualization, and the relationship between theoretical equations and graphical representations. The conversation includes aspects of theory and conceptual clarification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the mathematical equation for the magnetic dipole field aligns with typical field line representations, noting a perceived 90-degree shift in orientation.
  • Another participant points out that the plotted field lines may differ based on whether the loop is considered infinitesimally small or has a non-zero size.
  • A participant clarifies that the variable R in the equation represents the distance from the wire to the point where the magnetic field is measured, suggesting a need to consider the geometry of the loop in visualizations.
  • One participant explains that the strength of the magnetic field is related to the density of magnetic flux lines rather than simply the distance from the origin.
  • There is a question raised about whether plotting magnetic field lines is different from plotting the magnetic field itself.
  • A later reply indicates that plotting the magnetic field can be approached in two ways: following the field lines or connecting points of equal field strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the mathematical representation of the magnetic field and its graphical depiction. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the field lines or the implications of the plotted data.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in their visualizations, such as the distinction between an infinitesimal loop and a loop of non-zero size, as well as the need to account for the geometry of the loop in their models.

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I am trying to understand the magnetic dipole field via loop of wire.

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The above pictures show how this problem is typically setup and how the field lines are typically shown.
The math is messy but every textbook yields the following:

β = ∇xA = (m / (4⋅π⋅R3)) ⋅ (2⋅cos(θ) r + sin(θ) θ)

The issue I am having is seeing how the above equation yields the field lines from the above picture.
If θ is referenced from the Z axis, and the loop of wire is on the X-Y axis, in my mind the field lines are 90 degrees shifted. In other words, when θ=0, the radial component is at it's max straight up the Z-axis, and as θ approaches π/2 the radial component approaches 0. The above picture shows that β is max at π/2 and not 0. In Matlab I plotted a few different Radii for all θ = 0 to 2π and Φ=0:

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This picture is 90 degrees shifted from how I think it should be. Can someone help me understand this? Why does the equation not align up with the way the typical picture is shown? Am I incorrect in assuming the Z-axis is perpendicular to loop? Am i missing something? Am i not even close? D:
 
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Hello bc, :welcome:
bcerge1 said:
I plotted a few different Radii
What are Radii ? If I connect the dots in one way, I get the field lines from the picture at the top right (*). Perpendicular to those are the lines of constant |B| .

(*) but that picture has a non-zero size loop, the picture you made is for an infinitesimally small loop.
 
If i understand the equation correctly, the magnitude of the equation is the m / (4⋅π⋅R3). the R is the distance from the wire to the point of the B field being measured. I suppose its not technically a 'radius', rather a distance. The plot i created was for 7 different R values for θ = 0 to 2π.

I think where I am going wrong is trying to visualize the field coming the origin (infinitesimally small point at (0,0,0)) and not from a point on the wire. In other words, i might need to model the equation to include the geometry of the loop?
 
The strength of B is how tightly packed the magnetic flux lines are (density of the flux), rather than distance from the origin. So at pi/2, the lines are spaced far apart, while at 0 they are more dense.
 
So is plotting the magnetic field lines (upper right hand corner picture) different than plotting the B field?
 
Plotting the B field can be done two ways: follow the field lines (that's the usual way) or connect points with the same field strength.
 

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