Magnetic/ electric/ gravitational field?

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The discussion revolves around a physics exam question concerning the behavior of a charged particle in different fields: electric, magnetic, and gravitational. Participants explore the conditions under which no force acts on the particle, considering its state of motion and properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the nature of the field in which a charged particle experiences no force while stationary or moving, suggesting it could be a gravitational field.
  • Others propose that if the particle is assumed to be massive and charged, the forces acting on it in electric and magnetic fields would depend on its motion relative to those fields.
  • A participant notes that gravitational fields exert force on all masses, which complicates the assumption of no force acting on the particle.
  • One participant asserts that if the particle is not massive, there may be no solution to the problem, while also suggesting that a specific combination of electric and gravitational fields could allow for no force at rest.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of energy increase due to motion, referencing relativistic effects, but questions the relevance of charge changes with motion.
  • There is a mention of neglecting the effects of General Relativity in the context of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which a charged particle experiences no force, with no consensus reached on the implications of mass and charge in the context of the fields discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions regarding the mass and charge of the particle, as well as the potential neglect of relativistic effects and General Relativity, which remain unresolved.

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I got a question from my exam. We are given the name of three fields; electric field, magnetic field and gravitational field. A charged particle is placed in a field, but no force will act on it if it's stationary or moving in any direction. What field is the particle placed in?
 
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Ellie said:
I got a question from my exam. We are given the name of three fields; electric field, magnetic field and gravitational field. A charged particle is placed in a field, but no force will act on it if it's stationary or moving in any direction. What field is the particle placed in?
Presumably you are intended to assume that say, the particle is massive and charged? If that is the case which of those forces would produce such motion.
 
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Vagn said:
Presumably you are intended to assume that say, the particle is massive and charged? If that is the case which of those forces would produce such motion.

Yes, the particle is charged, but not exactly massive. Let's assume that it is a point charge. It's not specified whether is + or -

In electrical and magnetic field, force will act on a charged particle as long as it is not perpendicular to the field. Which leaves only gravitational field. But then gravitational field exerts force too, right? They're pulling everything towards it's center.
 
If the particle is not massive there is no solution.
If it is the right combination of electric and a gravitational fields can do the job at rest.
When it moves, its energy increases by a factor 1/sqrt(1-v^2) but so does its charge.
So the solution is still valid.
 
my2cts said:
If the particle is not massive there is no solution.
If it is the right combination of electric and a gravitational fields can do the job at rest.
When it moves, its energy increases by a factor 1/sqrt(1-v^2) but so does its charge.
So the solution is still valid.

Ah, now I get it. Thanks for the clarification!
 
my2cts said:
When it moves, its energy increases by a factor 1/sqrt(1-v^2) but so does its charge.
The charge is a Lorentz invariant, and does not change with motion.
My guess is they wanted you to neglect the effect of GR.
 

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