Magnetic Force: Work or No Work?

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Magnetic forces are often said to do no work because they act perpendicular to the velocity of charged particles, as described by the Lorentz force law. While a straight wire in a magnetic field experiences a force calculated by the equation B*I*L, this force does not perform work directly on the charges. Instead, the magnetic force causes charges within the wire to shift, creating an electric field that ultimately does the work. This distinction clarifies that while magnetic forces can accelerate particles by changing their direction, they do not change their speed or kinetic energy directly. The work done on the wire is attributed to the electric field generated by the constrained charges.
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it is often said that "magnetic forces can do no work".. but a straight wire segment placed in a magnetic field experiences a force of mag. B*I*L (LaPlace' law) which accelerates it and thus does work.. how can this be true?? is it really an electric force that is doing the work here or what?
 
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If we look at how the magnetic force is calculated from the Lorentz force law:

\vec{F}_B = q\vec v\times \vec B

Because of the cross product, FB and v must be perpendicular.

Recall that the general definition of work done by a force is:

W_{ab} = \int_a^b \vec{F} \cdot d\vec r

Due to the dot product here, you should see that not work is done by a force that is perpendicular to the displacement. However, from the above Lorentz force discussion, this is exactly what we have. So the magnetic force can do no work.

Be careful not to confuse this with the magnetic force's ability to accelerate a charged particle by changing its direction (not speed/kinetic energy). Hope that helps.
 
Originally posted by broegger
it is often said that "magnetic forces can do no work".. but a straight wire segment placed in a magnetic field experiences a force of mag. B*I*L (LaPlace' law) which accelerates it and thus does work.. how can this be true?? is it really an electric force that is doing the work here or what?
Another excellent question.

Yes, it is an electric force doing the work!

Since, as jamesrc reminds us, the magnetic force on a moving charge is always perpendicular to the velocity, it can do no work. If the charges were free, they would simply spiral. Yet a current-carrying wire experiences a force that can do work. What's different there?

In the wire, the charges are constrained. The magnetic force shifts the charges to one side, until the resulting electric field balances the magnetic force. It is this electric field that pulls the wire.
 
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