Magnetism and lagrange formulation of mechanics

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Magnetic forces do no work, which raises questions about their role in the Lagrangian formulation of mechanics. The Euler-Lagrange equation requires potential energy as a function of position and kinetic energy based on velocity, yet magnetic forces do not contribute to potential energy. In a scenario with a steady current and a charged particle moving orthogonally, the particle experiences a magnetic force that causes it to orbit, but this force does not alter the potential energy. The Lagrangian, defined as the difference between kinetic and potential energy, seems unable to account for magnetic forces since they are velocity-dependent and do not perform work. This highlights a limitation in traditional Lagrangian mechanics when addressing systems influenced by magnetic fields.
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Hello, I am aware that magnetic forces can do no work.

I am also aware that, in a conservative system, equations of motion that minimize the "action" (which are the true equations of motion) can be found with the euler-lagrange equation. The only information the euler-lagrange equation needs about the system is the potential energy as a function of position and kinetic energy as a function of the first time derivative of position.

So take a system in which there is a steady current (in some direction) flowing to infinity along some axis, and a charged particle moving orthonally to the steady current.

The charged particle will experience a central force (magnetic) that will cause it to orbit the current at some radius.

So my question is, how is it possible for the lagrangian formuation of mechanics to account for this simple sitauation? The magnetic force can do no work, so it can't affect the potential energy field (right?), and the kinetic energy is always just (1/2)mv^2. It would seem that the lagrangian can contain no information relevant to the magnetic force (the lagrangian being defined as T - U ; which is the only item having any information relevant to the physical situation in the euler-lagrange equation).
 
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