Magnetizing inductance and Flyback converter

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The discussion revolves around the representation of magnetizing inductance in flyback converters, specifically its placement in the equivalent circuit and the reflection of secondary voltage to the primary side. Participants explore theoretical aspects of flyback inductors and seek clarification on circuit diagrams.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why magnetizing inductance is represented in parallel with actual inductance rather than in series with leakage inductance.
  • There is a request for clarification on what constitutes a "flyback inductor."
  • One participant suggests that the secondary voltage is "mirrored" or sensed due to the output diode, with conditions affecting current flow in the output winding.
  • Another participant proposes that the secondary voltage gets reflected to the primary because it has no other path, but raises a question about the timing of this reflection.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the interpretation of waveforms, particularly the relationship between drain voltage and the reflected secondary voltage when the switch turns off.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the representation of magnetizing inductance and the timing of voltage reflection in flyback converters. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific circuit diagrams and waveforms, indicating that there may be limitations in understanding without visual aids. The discussion also highlights potential dependencies on definitions and modeling choices.

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In the flyback inductor equivalent circuit and also in general, why is magnetizing inductance represented in parallel to the actual inductance?
We can have just the Magnetizing inductance in series with the leakage inductance.

Also, in flyback converters why does the secondary voltage get reflected to the primary side?
 
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likephysics said:
In the flyback inductor equivalent circuit and also in general, why is magnetizing inductance represented in parallel to the actual inductance?
We can have just the Magnetizing inductance in series with the leakage inductance.

Also, in flyback converters why does the secondary voltage get reflected to the primary side?

What's a "flyback inductor"?

Can you post a drawing of the particular circuit you are asking about? Or give a pointer to a typical flyback transformer circuit...
 
berkeman said:
What's a "flyback inductor"?

Can you post a drawing of the particular circuit you are asking about? Or give a pointer to a typical flyback transformer circuit...

See Fig.a in this pdf.
 
likephysics said:
See Fig.a in this pdf.

I'm on it!

Oops, what PDF? :-p
 
likephysics said:
In the flyback inductor equivalent circuit and also in general, why is magnetizing inductance represented in parallel to the actual inductance?
We can have just the Magnetizing inductance in series with the leakage inductance.

Also, in flyback converters why does the secondary voltage get reflected to the primary side?

likephysics said:
See Fig.a in this pdf.

The Lm is in parallel with an ideal transformer, not any other "inductance". And the Lk is in series, as it is usually modeled.

The secondary voltage is "mirrored" or sensed because of the output diode. When the output winding's voltage is below the output voltage plus a diode drop, there is no current flowing in the output.
 
berkeman said:
The Lm is in parallel with an ideal transformer, not any other "inductance". And the Lk is in series, as it is usually modeled.

The secondary voltage is "mirrored" or sensed because of the output diode. When the output winding's voltage is below the output voltage plus a diode drop, there is no current flowing in the output.

The secondary voltage gets reflected to primary because it has no where else to go?
But wouldn't it take some time to get reflected to the primary side?

When the switch (mosfet) goes off, the Drain voltage is at Vdc(or Vin). After some small time when the voltage at secondary is less than output voltage plus diode drop, the voltage is reflected back to primary.
But the waveforms don't show it this way. All the waveforms I have seen show the Drain voltage is Vin+nVo at the instant the switch goes off.
Am I interpreting this right?
 
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