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The problem involves finding probabilities related to a joint probability density function (pdf) f(x,y) = 3/2 defined over specific bounds for x and y. The questions include calculating various probabilities and determining the independence of the random variables X and Y.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of marginal pdfs for X and Y, with some questioning the limits of integration based on the defined region. There is an exploration of whether the random variables are independent and how to interpret the questions regarding double integrals.

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Some participants have provided insights into the correct limits for integration and the implications of dependence between X and Y. There is ongoing clarification regarding the interpretation of specific parts of the problem, particularly the relationship between the different probability calculations.

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Participants note that the limits of integration for x depend on the value of y, which affects the marginal pdf calculations. There is also a mention of the assumption that f(x,y) is zero outside the specified bounds.

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Oops, I accidentally edited over this post =(
Thankfully it's quoted in the next one.
 
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Homework Statement


Let f(x,y) = 3/2, x2[tex]\leq[/tex]y[tex]\leq[/tex]1, 0[tex]\leq[/tex]x[tex]\leq[/tex]1, be the joint pdf of X and Y.
(a) Find P(0 [tex]\leq[/tex] x [tex]\leq[/tex] 1/2)
(b) Find P(1/2 [tex]\leq[/tex] y [tex]\leq[/tex] 1)
(c) Find P(1/2 [tex]\leq[/tex] x [tex]\leq1[/tex] 1, 1/2 [tex]\leq[/tex] y [tex]\leq[/tex] 1)
(d) Find P(X [tex]\geq[/tex] 1/2, Y [tex]\geq[/tex] 1/2)
(e) Are X and Y independent? Why or why not?

Homework Equations


f1(x) = integral(f(x,y)dy)
f2(y) = integral(f(x,y)dx)

They are independent iff f(x,y) = f1(x) * f2(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) I did integral(3/2dy) from y = x2 to y = 1, which gave me a marginal pdf of x to be:
f1(x) = (3/2) - (3/2)x2
Then I integrated from 0 to 1/2 to get the answer 11/16.

Good so far.

(b) I have a problem with this question. I tried to get the marginal pdf of y:
f2(y) = integral(3/2dx) from 0 to 1
which gives me:
f2(y) = 3/2

If you draw a picture of your region you will see that the limits on x depend on y. x only goes from 0 to 1 if y = 1. Otherwise the upper limit depends on y. You need to redo f2.
 
LCKurtz said:
If you draw a picture of your region you will see that the limits on x depend on y. x only goes from 0 to 1 if y = 1. Otherwise the upper limit depends on y. You need to redo f2.

Oh! I get it! x goes from 0 to sqrt(y)
So...
f2(y) = integral(3/2dx) from 0 to sqrt(y)
which becomes:
f2(y) = (3/2)sqrt(y)
Then when I integrate from 1/2 to 1, I get that the probability is 1 - sqrt(2)/4

Well that also answers (e). They are definitely dependent since
(3/2)sqrt(y) * (3/2 - (3/2)x^) =/= 3/2

Thank you! =)

That leaves me with one last question. (Assuming that my other work was right at least). Does this mean that (c) is asking me for the double integral of x(1/2 to 1) and y(1/2 to 1) while (d) is asking me for the double integral of x(1/2 to sqrt(y)) and y(1/2 to 1)?
 
Ninty64 said:
Oh! I get it! x goes from 0 to sqrt(y)
So...
f2(y) = integral(3/2dx) from 0 to sqrt(y)
which becomes:
f2(y) = (3/2)sqrt(y)
Then when I integrate from 1/2 to 1, I get that the probability is 1 - sqrt(2)/4

Well that also answers (e). They are definitely dependent since
(3/2)sqrt(y) * (3/2 - (3/2)x^) =/= 3/2

Thank you! =)

That leaves me with one last question. (Assuming that my other work was right at least). Does this mean that (c) is asking me for the double integral of x(1/2 to 1) and y(1/2 to 1) while (d) is asking me for the double integral of x(1/2 to sqrt(y)) and y(1/2 to 1)?

You could have seen intuitively that X and Y were not independent because, for example, if you know Y < 1 you would know X couldn't be 1.

As to (c) and (d) it looks to me as if they are asking the same question. And integrating f(x,y) with x from 1/2 to 1 and y from 1/2 to 1 is the same thing as integrating f(x,y) with x from 1/2 to sqrt(y) and y from 1/2 to 1. Remember f(x,y) is zero everywhere except where it is given to be 3/2.
 
LCKurtz said:
You could have seen intuitively that X and Y were not independent because, for example, if you know Y < 1 you would know X couldn't be 1.

As to (c) and (d) it looks to me as if they are asking the same question. And integrating f(x,y) with x from 1/2 to 1 and y from 1/2 to 1 is the same thing as integrating f(x,y) with x from 1/2 to sqrt(y) and y from 1/2 to 1. Remember f(x,y) is zero everywhere except where it is given to be 3/2.

Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. =)
 

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