Mass of Electron: 9.10938291x10-31 kg

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter johann1301
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Electron Mass
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mass of the electron, specifically the notation used in its representation, including the significance of the uncertainty indicated in the value. Participants explore the implications of the uncertainty and the methods by which the mass of the electron is determined, touching on both theoretical and experimental aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the notation (40) in the mass of the electron, seeking clarification on its significance.
  • Another participant explains that the notation indicates experimental uncertainty in the last digits of the mass value.
  • A different participant asserts that the digits 4 and 0 are confirmed values, suggesting a predictive aspect to the notation.
  • A later reply challenges this interpretation, clarifying that the numbers relate to standard uncertainty and are associated with the last two digits of the mass value.
  • One participant discusses the mass of the electron as a dependent constant, derived from other physical constants and formulas, emphasizing that its value can change if any of those constants vary.
  • Another participant provides a numerical example using CODATA values to illustrate the calculation of the electron mass, noting a discrepancy in the last digit that they attribute to rounding error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the notation regarding uncertainty, with some asserting it indicates confirmed values while others clarify it relates to standard uncertainty. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding how standard uncertainty is calculated and how it relates to the values of other constants involved in determining the mass of the electron.

johann1301
Messages
216
Reaction score
1
When i look up the mass of an electron, wikepedia says: 9.10938291(40)×10−31 kg

Fine, but what does the (40) stand for? Is there 40 more or total decimals, or is there uncertainty in weather the 40 belongs there or not?

or some other reason maybe??

:)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
9.10938291(40)×10−31 kg means 9.10938291×10−31 kg +- 0.00000040×10−31 kg
Numbers in parentheses are experimental uncertainty in the last given digits.
 
Thanks;)
 
It means that 9.10938291 have all been confirmed the right values, and its a prediction that the next 2 numbers are 4 and 0
Thanks,
Z.c
 
I realize this topic is a bit dated, but still worth a quick follow-up...
dazza95 said:
It means that 9.10938291 have all been confirmed the right values, and its a prediction that the next 2 numbers are 4 and 0
Thanks,
Z.c

Well... no, actually. As Khashishi noted, the 4 and 0 relate to standard uncertainty and are associated with the last two digits 9, 1, meaning that the value for electron mass is probably 9.10938291*10^-31 kg, plus or minus .00000040 * 10^-31. Easy to see if you go to the NIST site and check out the value for electron mass: http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?me

Furthermore, the mass of an electron is a dependent constant. It is not measured directly, but takes it's value from formulas such as the following: 2Rh/c*alpha^2 where R is the Rydberg constant, h is Planck's constant, c is the speed of light, and alpha is the fine structure constant. R has been measured to a high degree of precision, c is fixed by definition, h is increasingly being measured to a high degree of precision, leaving alpha, a constant the measurement of which you can read about on Wikipedia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant#Measurement. If any of the above values change, then so too does the value for electron mass.

Not sure how the standard uncertainty is calculated, but it's in some manner a combination of the standard uncertainty associated with R, h and alpha.

So, for example, numerically, using CODATA 2010 values, and without reference to units: (2Rh)/(c*alpha^2) = (2*1.0973731568539*10^7*6.62606957*10^(-34))/(299792458*137.035999074^(-2)) = 9.10938290*10^-31, which is off on the last digit, but that's almost certainly a rounding error.

- AC
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K