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The discussion revolves around integrating trigonometric functions, specifically the integral of tan^5(x) sec^3(x) dx. Participants are exploring methods to approach this integral, particularly in the context of preparing for an upcoming exam.

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  • Participants suggest applying trigonometric identities and rewriting the integral in terms of sine and cosine. There are discussions about using substitutions and recognizing patterns in derivatives of trigonometric functions.

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Several participants have offered different approaches and insights into the problem, including the use of identities and substitutions. There is an ongoing exploration of methods, with some participants correcting their own misunderstandings and clarifying their reasoning.

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Some participants note potential errors in their previous posts, indicating a learning process. There is also mention of the need for clarity in the application of trigonometric identities and the implications of odd and even powers in the integral.

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Trig and Integrals!

Hi there, this is my first post here and I'm hoping someone can help me out, I'm working on an assignment with integrals and while I can manage workng out the number versions of the question just fine I've now encountered Trig functions in integrals and I've hit a brick wall. Can anyone possibly help me get this stuff started? I need to know how to do this for my exam weeks next week. Thanks for any and all help.


tan^5x Sec^3X dx

Why must trigs be so painful?
 
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try to apply the trigonometic identity
tan^2x +1 =sec^2x

Also remember that the integral of secxtanx is secx and that the integral of sec^2x is tanx.

There are actually methods which are helpful in solving trigonometic identities (at least, I was taught them when I was taking the calculus series), I can't remember them all right now. It should be in your calc book.

hope that helps
 
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Actually, my approach to almost any problem involving trig functions is to rewrite in terms of sine and cosine only!
[tex]tan^5(x) Sec^3(X)= \frac{sin^5(x)}{cos^5(x)}\frac{1}{cos^5(x)}= \frac{sin^5(x)}{cos^8(x)}[/tex]
Since that involves an odd power of sin(x), Rewrite the integral as
[tex]\int\tan^5(x)sec^3(x)dx= \int\frac{sin^4(x)}{cos^8(x)}sin(x)dx=\int\frac{(1-cos^2(x))^4}{cos^8(x)}sin(x)dx[tex] Now, let u= cos(x) so that du= -sin(x)dx and the integral becomes<br /> [tex]\int\frac{(u^2- 1)^4}{u^8}du[/tex][/tex][/tex]
 
Or as island-boy has pointed out. When you need to tackle an integral with the product of odd power of tan, and a sec (the power of sec can be even or odd) function you can use the fact that:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \sec x = \tan x \sec x[/tex]
And the Trig Identity: tan2x + 1 = sec2x Or tan2x = sec2x - 1
It goes like this:
[tex]\tan ^ 5 x \sec ^3 x dx = \int (\tan ^ 4 x \sec ^ 2 x) (\tan x \sec x) dx[/tex]
Now make the substitution: u = sec x, and see if you can finish the problem. :)
 
I was going to point out a stupid error, then realized I was the one who wrote it! Okay, so I'll just point out a typo!
I wrote:
HallsofIvy said:
[tex]\int\tan^5(x)sec^3(x)dx= \int\frac{sin^4(x)}{cos^8(x)}sin(x)dx=\int\frac{(1 -cos^2(x))^4}{cos^8(x)}sin(x)dx[/tex] Now, let u= cos(x) so that du= -sin(x)dx and the integral becomes[tex]\int\frac{(u^2- 1)^4}{u^8}du[/tex]

In fact, since [itex]1- cos^2(x)= sin^2(x)[/itex], [itex]sin^4(x)= (1- cos^2(x))^2[/itex], not [itex](1- cos^2(x))^4[/itex]
Now, let u= cos(x) so that du= -sin(x)dx and the integral becomes[tex]\int\frac{(u^2- 1)^2}{u^8}du[/tex]
 
I get

[tex]\int \tan^{5}x \sec^{3} \ dx =-\int \frac{\left(1-u^{2}\right)^{2}}{u^{8}} \ du[/tex] with [itex]u=cos x[/itex]

which is a little different from what HofIvy wrote.

Daniel.
 

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