Integration with Trig Sub: Simplifying the Square Root

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The problem involves evaluating the integral of the expression sqrt(x^2-36)/x, which suggests a connection to trigonometric substitution techniques. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on integration methods involving trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric substitution, with one suggesting x=36sec(u) and another proposing x=6sin(u). There are questions about the appropriateness of the substitutions and the simplification of expressions involving trigonometric identities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct choice of substitution and the simplification of terms, though multiple methods are being explored without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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There is some confusion regarding the values used in the substitutions, particularly the parameter 'a' in the trigonometric identities. Participants are also questioning the complexity of the initial substitution and its implications for the integral's evaluation.

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Homework Statement



integral of sqrt(x^2-36)/x)

Homework Equations



sqrt(x^2-a^2) = asec(u)
Pythagorean identity

The Attempt at a Solution


I used trig sub on the x^2-36 and changed that to x=36sec(u) and dx= 36sec(u)tan(u). I simplified the square root in the numerator using sec^2(u)-1 = tan^2(u). This gave me (6tan(u)/36sec(u))(36sec(u)tan(u)) What trig identities do I need to proceed? Or did I use the wrong kind of trig sub? Any help is greatly appreciated in advance.
 
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hi jhahler! :smile:
jhahler said:
This gave me (6tan(u)/36sec(u))(36sec(u)tan(u))

isn't that just tan2 ? :wink:
 
In your substitution, 'a' should be 6, not 36. Therefore your dx=6sec(u)tan(u).

After your change your numbers, and simplify, you will need to use the same trig identity you used in the beginning with tan^2(u).
 
I don't understand why you do such a complicated substitution. Perhaps I don't understand your notation right. It's way easier to use
x=6 \sin u.
 
jhahler said:
I used trig sub on the x^2-36 and changed that to x=36sec(u)
vanhees71 said:
… ##x=6 \sin u.## …

sec2 - 1 = tan2

sin2 - 1 = minus cos2 :wink:
 

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