Trig substitution integral (I hope)

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The original poster is working on an integral involving a spiral defined by the equation r(θ) = e^(-θ), specifically seeking to find the total length of the spiral over the interval [0, ∞). The integral in question is ∫_0^∞ √(1 + (e^(-θ))^2) dθ, and there is consideration of using trigonometric substitution to evaluate it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriateness of trigonometric substitution, with some expressing skepticism about its utility. The original poster considers letting e^(-θ) = tan(φ) and questions the resulting differential. Others suggest alternative substitution methods and raise concerns about the integral's convergence.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on the correct formula for arc length, while others have pointed out potential issues with the original setup. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the correct formula for arc length, as well as concerns about the integral's divergence. The original poster is navigating these issues while seeking a viable method for evaluation.

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Homework Statement



I got to a place in a problem where I need to do a sticky integral, and I'm hoping I can use a trig substitution. If not, I will need to solve the main problem another way :(

[tex]\int_0^\infty \sqrt{1+(e^{-\theta })^2} \; \mathrm{d} \theta[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex]1+\tan ^2 \theta =\sec ^2 \theta[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Can I let [itex]e^{- \theta } = \tan \phi[/itex] ?
if so, does [itex]\mathrm{d} \theta = \sec ^2 \phi \; \mathrm{d} \phi[/itex] ?

And then, do I have
[tex]\int \sec ^3 \phi \; \mathrm{d} \phi[/tex] ?
 
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Aside from the fact you can tell the integral is divergent just by looking at it, d(exp(-t))=(-exp(-t)*dt).
 
Any particular reason you want to do a trig substitution?

Myself, I'm not a fan of trig substitutions.
Usually my first step is take a part of the expression and call it "u".
Do a substitution and see what you are left with.
I see a trig substitution more as a last resort.
 
Maybe I should start at the beginning.

I need to find the total length of the spiral [itex]r(\theta )=e^{-\theta }[/itex] for [itex]\theta \in [0,\infty )[/itex]

There is a formula for arc length, but I don't necessarily have to use it if there is another way:

[tex]L=\int \sqrt{1+(r')^2} \; \mathrm{d} \theta[/tex]

I'm concerned right away about the infinity.
 
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Hmm, that is not the right formula for the length of your curve.
I suspect you are mixing up the formula with a cartesian version.
 
Alas. So, how about [tex]L=\int_0^\infty \sqrt{r^2+(\frac{dr}{d\theta} )^2} \; \mathrm{d} \theta[/tex]

in which case I will be computing
[tex]\int_0^\infty \sqrt{ e^{-2 \theta } + (-e^{-\theta } )^2 } \; \mathrm{d} \theta[/tex] ?
 
That looks much better! ;)
 
Okay, thanks. night-night! :smile:
 

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