Material explosion under pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of materials under extreme pressure and temperature conditions, particularly focusing on the potential for explosive expansion of gases and the structural integrity of materials like copper wire when subjected to rapid changes in current and surrounding pressure. The scope includes theoretical considerations, material science, and the effects of pressure on physical properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where heated gas expands rapidly and questions the effects of applying opposing pressure just before an explosion occurs, seeking to understand the limits of material integrity under such conditions.
  • Another participant notes that heating copper wire excessively can lead to plasma formation and discusses how pressure affects material density and structure, using iron as an example.
  • A participant suggests that if high temperatures and radiation damage are removed, materials can withstand significant pressures if applied symmetrically.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "sustain," indicating that while materials may lose structural strength under pressure, they can still resist compression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the effects of pressure and temperature on materials, with no consensus reached on the limits of material integrity or the implications of opposing forces on explosive scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves complex interactions between pressure, temperature, and material properties, with assumptions about structural integrity and the definitions of terms like "sustain" remaining unresolved.

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Now we knwo that materials tend to rapidly expand (explode) under given circumstances , like a wire subjected to sudden , rapid overcurrent or like a ball of hot flammable gas when heated or otherwise.

Now I wonder what would happen if we had the ball of some heated rapidly expanding gas or mixture inside , and when it would explode ,shortly before that we would apply a pressure which is opposite to that of the ball ? How high we could go in terms of pressure and not break the material that encloses the gas inside the ball.

In other words if one applies ever increasing but perfectly opposite forces and there is a material of some sort in the middle , what then is the limit after which something destructive happens to the material or whatever is in the middle or maybe there is no limit then , if the forces are pefectly opposite to one another?
Now the forces would cancel out in the middle but the pressure would still be there.


Also if we would put a piece of copper wire in a sealed pressurized container, would the sudden surge of amperage needed to blow that wire apart , increase if we would increase the the pressure that surrounds the wire?
Just like water boiling temperature rises proportionally to water pressure.
 
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If you heat the copper wire too much, you get a plasma at some point.

For pressure without too much heat: the materials will compress, the chemical structure might change a bit, but the material will still be there (it cannot escape...). As an example, iron in the core of our Earth (a pressure that can be reproduced in the lab) is more dense than iron on the surface, but it is still solid iron.
At some point you reach the density of white dwarfs and then neutron stars, and if you have enough material and pressure you get a black hole.
 
so basically if one takes away super high temperatures and radiation damage to a substance or metal then it can sustain enourmous pressures if they are applied structurally right , like a symmetrical pressure equal from all sides to a spherical ball etc?
 
Well, what is "sustain"? It will probably lose its structural strength like resistance to sheer stress, but it will still be there (resisting pressure due to its compression).
 

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