Mathematical proof for positive feedback

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical proof of how positive feedback can lead to the saturation of operational amplifiers (op-amps). It includes both theoretical and conceptual aspects of feedback mechanisms in op-amps.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a mathematical proof that positive feedback causes op-amp saturation.
  • Another participant suggests that positive DC feedback drives the op-amp into saturation, while positive AC feedback leads to oscillation.
  • A later reply asserts that there is indeed a mathematical proof, referencing the gain equation for an op-amp in a positive feedback configuration and discussing how the feedback factor influences gain and saturation.
  • Some participants provide non-mathematical explanations for saturation, indicating a preference for intuitive understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency and clarity of mathematical proof regarding op-amp saturation due to positive feedback. Some participants support the existence of a mathematical basis, while others focus on conceptual explanations, indicating a lack of consensus on the preferred approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of feedback factors and gain equations, which may not be universally agreed upon. The mathematical steps leading to saturation are not fully resolved, leaving room for interpretation.

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Is there a mathematical proof that the positive feedback makes the op-amp saturated?

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Do you understand why it saturates (non-mathematical seat of the pants explanation)?
 
Let's clarify this by specifying positive DC feedback drives the opamp into saturation. Positive AC feedback makes it oscillate.
 
the_emi_guy said:
Do you understand why it saturates (non-mathematical seat of the pants explanation)?

Yes of course
 


There is indeed a mathematical proof that positive feedback can cause an operational amplifier (op-amp) to become saturated. This can be seen by analyzing the gain equation for an op-amp in a positive feedback configuration.

The gain equation for an op-amp in a closed loop configuration is given by A = A0 / (1 + βA0), where A0 is the open loop gain and β is the feedback factor. In a positive feedback configuration, the feedback factor is greater than 0, meaning that the denominator of the gain equation is less than 1.

When the feedback factor is small, the gain of the op-amp is approximately equal to the open loop gain A0. However, as the feedback factor increases, the gain decreases and eventually becomes 0 when the feedback factor is equal to 1. This means that the output voltage of the op-amp will be equal to the input voltage multiplied by the open loop gain A0, resulting in saturation.

Furthermore, the gain equation also shows that as the feedback factor approaches 1, the gain of the op-amp approaches infinity. This is known as the "infinite gain" phenomenon, where even a small change in the input voltage can cause a large change in the output voltage, leading to saturation.

In conclusion, the mathematical proof for positive feedback causing op-amp saturation lies in the gain equation, which shows that as the feedback factor increases, the gain decreases and eventually becomes 0, resulting in saturation.
 

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