Matrices, Proof and Eigenvalues.

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The discussion focuses on proving that the dot product of a rotated vector remains the same, specifically showing that r'.r' = r.r for a rotation matrix R. The user initially struggles with calculating the new coordinates after rotation and correctly applying the dot product. For the eigenvalues of the rotation matrix, they attempt to use the determinant formula but encounter issues, mistakenly concluding that the eigenvalues are cos(θ) or 1. Clarifications are provided regarding the calculation of the determinant and the need to consider complex eigenvalues. The user ultimately resolves their confusion with assistance from peers.
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Homework Statement



Looking for some help with the proof if possible.

Vector r =
x
y
z

Rotation R =
cos(θ) 0 sin(θ)
0 1 0
-sin(θ) 0 cos(θ)

r' = Rr

It asks me to prove that
r'.r' = r.r




Second part of the question is about eigenvalues, it asks me to find the three eigenvalues of R.
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.


The Attempt at a Solution



First Part:

I found r' to be
xcos(θ) + xsinθ
y
-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ)

To get r'.r' am I right to just multiply two of the above together, as in
(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))
(yy)
(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))

Because this is the way I did it and it doesn't lead to the same answer.

Obviously these should all have big brackets around them, but I am unsure of how to represent them on here, if someone would advise me I would gladly fix that.

Second Part:
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.
 
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chris_avfc said:

Homework Statement



Looking for some help with the proof if possible.

Vector r =
x
y
z

Rotation R =
cos(θ) 0 sin(θ)
0 1 0
-sin(θ) 0 cos(θ)

r' = Rr

It asks me to prove that
r'.r' = r.r

Second part of the question is about eigenvalues, it asks me to find the three eigenvalues of R.
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.

The Attempt at a Solution



First Part:

I found r' to be
xcos(θ) + xsinθ
This is incorrect but I expect it is a typo.

y
-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ)

To get r'.r' am I right to just multiply two of the above together, as in
(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))(xcos(θ) + xsin(θ))
(yy)
(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))(-zsin(θ) + xcos(θ))
Because I did it this way and it doesn't lead to the same answer.
Yes, that is what you want to do- and add them. You need to fix that first coordinate of course. What did you get? Don't forget that cos^2(\theta)+ sin^2(\theta)= 1.

Obviously these should all have big brackets around them, but I am unsure of how to represent them on here, if someone would advise me I would gladly fix that.

Second Part:
I used the formula
det(m - λI)

Where m = R, λ = the eigenvalues and I is the appropriate identity matrix

I end up with λ = cos() or 1, which is clearly wrong as there isn't enough answers.
Somebody in class mentioned imaginary numbers, but I'm unsure as to how to proceed.
We're not mindreaders! No one can tell you what you did wrong unless you tell us what you did!
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is incorrect but I expect it is a typo.
Yes, that is what you want to do- and add them. You need to fix that first coordinate of course. What did you get? Don't forget that cos^2(\theta)+ sin^2(\theta)= 1. We're not mindreaders! No one can tell you what you did wrong unless you tell us what you did!

What's wrong with the first bit, have I made a stupid mistake?

I've attached what I have done.
 

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You have det(A-\lambda I)= (cos(\theta)- \lambda)(1- \lambda)(cos(\theta)- \lambda) which is wrong. That is the product of the values on the main diagonal but is not the determinant.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You have det(A-\lambda I)= (cos(\theta)- \lambda)(1- \lambda)(cos(\theta)- \lambda) which is wrong. That is the product of the values on the main diagonal but is not the determinant.

Ah yeah, I've sorted that all out now.
Thank you so much for the help mate.
 
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