Matrixology aka Gnosticism

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Which pill would you take?

  • The red pill. (I favour truth over happiness)

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • The blue pill. (I favour happiness over truth)

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • The green pill. (I cannot choose)

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • Total voters
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FZ+

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I think we are all familar with the premise of the Matrix. Ie. The idea of an all-encompassing illusion, and a forbidding wasteland beyond. Now this poll is to ask what would you do if you were offered the choice?
 
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I would definitely choose truth over happiness, since the happiness one can experience in this world is extremely limited anyway.
 
Truth...for two reasons.

1. New things are always an adventure, and that would be the ultimate "new thing"

2. That nagging that Neo had before he even met Morpheous would get pretty annoying after a while, even if the blue pill could make you completely forget that there was another world out there.
 

Kerrie

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i would choose truth as well, great poll...
 

Tom Mattson

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Give me the blue pill, and leave me in Wonderland.
 

drag

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Green. Hey ! I like surprises !
 
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BoulderHead

Give me the red pill...

Knowing the truth would help me map out a plan for my happiness.
 
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Originally posted by Tom
Give me the blue pill, and leave me in Wonderland.
Ya'll are so funny you should be on the Tonight Show,
My, My, My I just know I'm going to be late!


LOLOLLOOLOLOOLOLOLOOLOLLOLLO
 
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Re: Give me the red pill...

Originally posted by BoulderHead
Knowing the truth would help me map out a plan for my happiness.
Or, accepting the reality would help you accept the present in the context of the future. Each both effects and affects the other. In some sense, whether in the present, past, or future, we are moving forever into the future....... the (possibly! (not that I have any personal interest mind you )) glorious future! (I don't want to think about the alternatives!) future.

The height of happiness people equate with everything from epiphany to orgasm.... to mom's homemade apple pie. In other words, it is as slippery and vague a concept as you'll find anywhere. However, it is of particular interest in the sense of surrender or acceptance.

Give me both the red and blue please, along with an explanation of what's happening and a little credibility!
 

Hurkyl

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I choose happiness, though I think the words in the poll are poorly chosen, since the illusion does not necessitate happiness. (i.e. I may be happier knowing the truth)
 
I picked the blue pill because I like blue. OK, seriously, I did pick the blue pill, although I don't like the wording. Really, I would like to stay in the Martrix knowing that it is a fake world. The people are still real people, and just think of all the cool Neo-esque stuff that that knowledge would allow you to do?! You could be a superhero! Move over, Spider-Man!

I used to be of the persuasion that truth should be regarded above all, but I have changed slightly. Personally, I have an obsession with truth such that I seek it out and tend to not be happy otherwise, so they kind of go hand-in-hand for me. However, I can't make that decision for others. I can't and don't want to force truth on them (except in the case where I have a certain relationship with a certain person that make me want to share it with them.)

I am not going to subject others to suffering because of my personal ideal of truth. And even for myself, that ideal only goes so far. If I had to choose living in that crap Earth outside the Matrix or living a happy life in the Matrix, unaware of its falsehood, I would probably choose the Matrix. I've only got one life; I might as well be happy in it. (Although, like I said, I'd like to have my cake and eat it, too, please.)

Of course, if I was in Neo's position, and I didn't know what the hell Morpheus was talking about, except that he could offer me some substantial truth, I would have taken the red.

Now, there are times when allowing people to live their fairy tales leads to great suffering, such that it is necessary to expose the truth, and this is usually the case. For example, the falsehood of religion is always a source of great atrocity, and people should always be attempting to expose it for the crap that it is.

All this talk reminds me of when I realized the determinism of the world. I realized that whatever thoughts I was to have in the future weren't under my own control, my own free will, but were the single possible outcome of previous events. I felt very sad when I realized that--sadder than I had ever been. I felt empty inside, and I found it very hard to concentrate on school. However, I soon learned to accept it and am fine with it.
 
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Originally posted by FZ+
I think we are all familar with the premise of the Matrix. Ie. The idea of an all-encompassing illusion, and a forbidding wasteland beyond. Now this poll is to ask what would you do if you were offered the choice?
We already live in a Matrix of sorts. Indeed, truth is far better than the "mistaken happiness" we call complacency. At least by admitting to the truth, it's possible to avoid the certain tragedy which lay ahead.

As a matter of fact, the only happiness maintained in the Matrix was the "sense of complacency." This is how the government controls us by the way ... Anyone?
 
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I chose truth, and with reason. Knowing myself well, I know that I often require a piece of truth to be told to me, even though I know hearing it, and knowing it (and thinking about it later) will cause me great distress.

I still ask one to tell me the truth, no matter how negative it makes me feel.

So I was honest!
 

FZ+

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I choose happiness, though I think the words in the poll are poorly chosen, since the illusion does not necessitate happiness. (i.e. I may be happier knowing the truth)
I think the poll is built on the assumption that choices do exist where happiness clashes with knowing the truth. If you think that truth always coincides with happiness, by all means pick the green jelly bean.
 
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BoulderHead

Uh, I got watched the Matrix...

And now I think I understand the different colored pills being offered in this thread. Haven't seen the newest one yet but hope to in the near future (got the broken DVD player running again). I'd still take the red pill, even if reality were to be as unpleasant as it was in that film.

It's good to know what so many of the discussions here at PF have been about...

...It's kinda like having the cables unplugged, ya know?
 

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