Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Matrixology aka Gnosticism

  1. The red pill. (I favour truth over happiness)

    11 vote(s)
  2. The blue pill. (I favour happiness over truth)

    3 vote(s)
  3. The green pill. (I cannot choose)

    2 vote(s)
  1. May 23, 2003 #1


    User Avatar

    I think we are all familar with the premise of the Matrix. Ie. The idea of an all-encompassing illusion, and a forbidding wasteland beyond. Now this poll is to ask what would you do if you were offered the choice?
  2. jcsd
  3. May 23, 2003 #2
    I would definitely choose truth over happiness, since the happiness one can experience in this world is extremely limited anyway.
  4. May 23, 2003 #3
    Truth...for two reasons.

    1. New things are always an adventure, and that would be the ultimate "new thing"

    2. That nagging that Neo had before he even met Morpheous would get pretty annoying after a while, even if the blue pill could make you completely forget that there was another world out there.
  5. May 23, 2003 #4


    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Gold Member

    i would choose truth as well, great poll...
  6. May 23, 2003 #5

    Tom Mattson

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    Give me the blue pill, and leave me in Wonderland.
  7. May 23, 2003 #6


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor

    Green. Hey ! I like surprises !
  8. May 23, 2003 #7
    Give me the red pill...

    Knowing the truth would help me map out a plan for my happiness.
  9. May 23, 2003 #8
    Ya'll are so funny you should be on the Tonight Show,
    My, My, My I just know I'm going to be late!

  10. May 23, 2003 #9
    Re: Give me the red pill...

    Or, accepting the reality would help you accept the present in the context of the future. Each both effects and affects the other. In some sense, whether in the present, past, or future, we are moving forever into the future....... the (possibly! (not that I have any personal interest mind you )) glorious future! (I don't want to think about the alternatives!) future.

    The height of happiness people equate with everything from epiphany to orgasm.... to mom's homemade apple pie. In other words, it is as slippery and vague a concept as you'll find anywhere. However, it is of particular interest in the sense of surrender or acceptance.

    Give me both the red and blue please, along with an explanation of what's happening and a little credibility!
  11. May 23, 2003 #10


    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    I choose happiness, though I think the words in the poll are poorly chosen, since the illusion does not necessitate happiness. (i.e. I may be happier knowing the truth)
  12. May 24, 2003 #11
    I picked the blue pill because I like blue. OK, seriously, I did pick the blue pill, although I don't like the wording. Really, I would like to stay in the Martrix knowing that it is a fake world. The people are still real people, and just think of all the cool Neo-esque stuff that that knowledge would allow you to do?! You could be a superhero! Move over, Spider-Man!

    I used to be of the persuasion that truth should be regarded above all, but I have changed slightly. Personally, I have an obsession with truth such that I seek it out and tend to not be happy otherwise, so they kind of go hand-in-hand for me. However, I can't make that decision for others. I can't and don't want to force truth on them (except in the case where I have a certain relationship with a certain person that make me want to share it with them.)

    I am not going to subject others to suffering because of my personal ideal of truth. And even for myself, that ideal only goes so far. If I had to choose living in that crap Earth outside the Matrix or living a happy life in the Matrix, unaware of its falsehood, I would probably choose the Matrix. I've only got one life; I might as well be happy in it. (Although, like I said, I'd like to have my cake and eat it, too, please.)

    Of course, if I was in Neo's position, and I didn't know what the hell Morpheus was talking about, except that he could offer me some substantial truth, I would have taken the red.

    Now, there are times when allowing people to live their fairy tales leads to great suffering, such that it is necessary to expose the truth, and this is usually the case. For example, the falsehood of religion is always a source of great atrocity, and people should always be attempting to expose it for the crap that it is.

    All this talk reminds me of when I realized the determinism of the world. I realized that whatever thoughts I was to have in the future weren't under my own control, my own free will, but were the single possible outcome of previous events. I felt very sad when I realized that--sadder than I had ever been. I felt empty inside, and I found it very hard to concentrate on school. However, I soon learned to accept it and am fine with it.
  13. May 24, 2003 #12
    We already live in a Matrix of sorts. Indeed, truth is far better than the "mistaken happiness" we call complacency. At least by admitting to the truth, it's possible to avoid the certain tragedy which lay ahead.

    As a matter of fact, the only happiness maintained in the Matrix was the "sense of complacency." This is how the government controls us by the way ... Anyone?
  14. May 24, 2003 #13
    I chose truth, and with reason. Knowing myself well, I know that I often require a piece of truth to be told to me, even though I know hearing it, and knowing it (and thinking about it later) will cause me great distress.

    I still ask one to tell me the truth, no matter how negative it makes me feel.

    So I was honest!
  15. May 24, 2003 #14


    User Avatar

    I think the poll is built on the assumption that choices do exist where happiness clashes with knowing the truth. If you think that truth always coincides with happiness, by all means pick the green jelly bean.
  16. May 25, 2003 #15
  17. May 31, 2003 #16
    Uh, I got watched the Matrix...

    And now I think I understand the different colored pills being offered in this thread. Haven't seen the newest one yet but hope to in the near future (got the broken DVD player running again). I'd still take the red pill, even if reality were to be as unpleasant as it was in that film.

    It's good to know what so many of the discussions here at PF have been about...

    ...It's kinda like having the cables unplugged, ya know?
Share this great discussion with others via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook