Max, min and average of the sum of 3 functions

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of three functions, focusing on calculating their resultant function and determining the maximum, minimum, and average values over a specified interval. Participants are comparing their findings with those presented in a textbook, noting discrepancies in the results.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the functions at specific points and intervals, questioning the accuracy of their calculations and the definitions of the functions involved. Some participants suggest sketching the functions for better visualization, while others explore the implications of evaluating functions only at endpoints.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some have offered guidance on the importance of considering the entire interval for maximum and minimum values, while others are still reconciling their results with the textbook solutions.

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There is an ongoing debate about the correctness of the original problem setup and the calculations performed, with participants questioning whether the functions were copied accurately from the problem statement. The discussion includes references to specific intervals and the behavior of the functions within those intervals.

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hi, i have these 3 functions

[PLAIN]http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2230/provakd.jpg

i must calculate the resultant function, and to find the max, min and the average.. i have tried to calculate it, i have found these values (max=53; min=38; average=43) but the solution in my book are different (max=54; min=19; average=34).. can you help me?? thank you!
 
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ulissess said:
hi, i have these 3 functions

[PLAIN]http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2230/provakd.jpg

i must calculate the resultant function, and to find the max, min and the average.. i have tried to calculate it, i have found these values (max=53; min=38; average=43) but the solution in my book are different (max=54; min=19; average=34).. can you help me?? thank you!
Your f2 is somewhat confusing. Is your formula saying that f2(t) = 19 for 10 < t <= 18, and f2(t) = 4, for 0 < t <= 10, and for 18 < t <= 24?
 
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yes exactly ! , all functions are 0< t<=24
 
I would sketch all three functions on the same coordinate system. The one that's a little tricky is the first one. Its period is 8, so it will have three complete cycles in your interval of 0 through 24.
 
yes i know, but i would compare my solution with your solution, i mean i would like to know what max, min absolute you have found.. because i have found max=53 and min=38.. but my book say me different solution (max=54; min=19) so i must understand what i was wrong! (or if the book is wrong)
 
If you look at f1(t) + f3(t), you get 34 + 10 cos(π/4 * t). The maximum value of this function is 44 and the minimum value is 24.

If we add f2(t) to the above, we are adding 4 on the interval (0, 10], adding 19 on the interval (10, 18], and adding 4 on the interval (18, 24].

So on (0, 10], the max value is 48 and the min value is 28.
On (10, 18], the max value is 63 and the min value is 43.
On (18, 24], the max value is 48 and the min value is 28.

I didn't calculate average values. To do this requires an integral.

Are you sure you copied the numbers in your problem correctly?
 
The nice thing about finding the average value of the sum of the functions is that it is the sum of the average values of the functions. Two of the functions ( f2 and f3 ) only involve rectangles, so their averages over the entire interval [0, 24] are easy to calculate; so is the average for the first term of f1 . So you will only really need an "average value integration" for the cosine term in f1 ...
 
i have tried this..

in (0, 10] => f_x=(25+4+9)+10cos(pi/4*t)=38+10cos(pi/4*t)
in (10, 18] =>f_x=(25+19+9)+10cos(pi/4*t)=53+10cos(pi/4*t)
in (18, 24] =>f_x=(25+4+9)+10cos(pi/4*t)=38+10cos(pi/4*t)

for t=0 => f1=48
for t=10 => f2=38
for t=18 => f3=53
for t=24 => f4=48

so for me max=53 and min=38. why my argument is wrong?

for average i have thought:

average=(38*10+53*8+38*6)/24=43
 
ulissess said:
i have tried this..

in (0, 10] => f_x=(25+4+9)+10cos(pi/4*t)=38+10cos(pi/4*t)
in (10, 18] =>f_x=(25+19+9)+10cos(pi/4*t)=53+10cos(pi/4*t)
in (18, 24] =>f_x=(25+4+9)+10cos(pi/4*t)=38+10cos(pi/4*t)
What you have above looks fine.
ulissess said:
for t=0 => f1=48
for t=10 => f2=38
for t=18 => f3=53
for t=24 => f4=48

so for me max=53 and min=38. why my argument is wrong?
You are evaluating your function only at the endpoints of the domains of f2. In the interval (10, 18], the function is 53 + 10 cos(pi/4 * t). The max and min values don't occur at 10 and 18. Actually, the max value on this interval is 63 and the min value is 43.

If you haven't sketched a graph of the combined function, you really should do so.
ulissess said:
for average i have thought:

average=(38*10+53*8+38*6)/24=43
This is not how it works. The average value of a function f(x) on an interval [a, b] is defined as an integral:
\frac{1}{b - a}\int_a^b f(x)dx
 
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you are right .. for t=4 => f_x=28 and 4 is inside the interval (0,10]; in t=12 => f_x=43 and in t=20 => f_x=28, the same for the max.. you are right ! thank you very much!
 

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