Max Speed of Car on Wet Ramp Turn at 20° Bank

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The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum speed of a car negotiating a turn on a wet ramp with a 20° banking angle and a radius of 200m, given a static friction coefficient of 0.25. An initial attempt at solving the problem involved using force equations, but the calculated speed of approximately 22.15 m/s was incorrect, as the expected answer is 36 m/s. Participants noted a mistake in the application of the centripetal force formula, emphasizing that friction is not the sole force acting on the car. The importance of correctly analyzing the forces in a free body diagram (FBD) was highlighted, indicating that both the banking angle and friction must be considered together. The discussion underscores the need for accurate force breakdowns and correct formula usage in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


A car is making a turn on a wet highway ramp. The coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.25. Determine the maximum speed at which the car can safely negotiate a turn of radius 200m with a banking angle of 20 degrees.
radius= 200m
μs=0.25
angle(θ)=20°

Homework Equations



Fs=μs(Fn)

Fc=mv/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving this by drawing an FBD. I drew my x and y axes so they could follow the incline and the normal and friction forces would run along the axes. The only force I broke down into components was Fg. I used the first formula to solve for Fs by plugging in the given coefficient of static friction and plugging in +mgcosθ for Fn. I got Fs=0.25(mucosθ). Then, I plugged that into the second formula with all other given values. I divided out my 'm' variables, and then isolated for 'v'. The answer I got was 22.14609185m/s. The correct answer is 36m/s. I don't know what I did wrong.
 
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Balsam said:

Homework Statement


A car is making a turn on a wet highway ramp. The coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.25. Determine the maximum speed at which the car can safely negotiate a turn of radius 200m with a banking angle of 20 degrees.
radius= 200m
μs=0.25
angle(θ)=20°

Homework Equations



Fs=μs(Fn)

Fc=mv/r
The second formula is wrong, check.
Balsam said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving this by drawing an FBD. I drew my x and y axes so they could follow the incline and the normal and friction forces would run along the axes. The only force I broke down into components was Fg. I used the first formula to solve for Fs by plugging in the given coefficient of static friction and plugging in +mgcosθ for Fn. I got Fs=0.25(mucosθ). Then, I plugged that into the second formula with all other given values. I divided out my 'm' variables, and then isolated for 'v'. The answer I got was 22.14609185m/s. The correct answer is 36m/s. I don't know what I did wrong.
 
ehild said:
The second formula is wrong, check.
I typed it wrong, but in solving the problem, i used mv^2/r
 
Without seeing your FBD and work in detail, we can not help you. The car goes along a horizontal circle, so the centripetal force is horizontal, while the friction acts along the slope. They are not equal. And friction is not the only force that keeps the car on track.
 
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