Maximum Acceleration of sliding crates

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The problem involves three identical 4 kg crates stacked vertically, with a maximum static friction force of 25 N between them. The maximum acceleration before the upper crates start to slide is calculated by considering the total mass of the crates and the static friction limit. Attempts to solve the problem using 25 N divided by the mass of the crates have led to confusion, particularly regarding the distribution of frictional forces between the crates. The discussion highlights the need to clarify the interpretation of the static friction forces and their impact on the overall acceleration. Properly addressing these forces is crucial for determining the maximum achievable acceleration without sliding.
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Homework Statement


Three identical 4 kg crates are stacked one on top of the other. You want to accelerate them as much as possible by pushing on the lower crate, but the forces of static friction between the surfaces of the crates max out at 25 N. What is the maximum acceleration you can achieve before the upper crates start to slide?

Homework Equations


f_max/m

The Attempt at a Solution


So I attemped this solution by taking the max force of 25 N and diving it by the mass of the creates (4kg) and got 6.25 m/s^2 but that is not being accepted by my online homework. I also did 4*3 for 12 and did 25/12 and it still didn't work and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
 
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Darkapostle8 said:

Homework Statement


Three identical 4 kg crates are stacked one on top of the other. You want to accelerate them as much as possible by pushing on the lower crate, but the forces of static friction between the surfaces of the crates max out at 25 N. What is the maximum acceleration you can achieve before the upper crates start to slide?

Homework Equations


f_max/m

The Attempt at a Solution


So I attemped this solution by taking the max force of 25 N and diving it by the mass of the creates (4kg) and got 6.25 m/s^2 but that is not being accepted by my online homework. I also did 4*3 for 12 and did 25/12 and it still didn't work and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Between which two crates will the force of static friction be the largest? Between which will it be the least?
 
tnich said:
Between which two crates will the force of static friction be the largest? Between which will it be the least?
Something bothers me about this problem. If the maximum force of static friction is between the bottom two boxes, then the coefficient of static friction is ##c_f=25N/[(12kg)(g)]##. So the maximum acceleration that can be applied to the bottom box before the next box starts slipping is ##a=F/m=(12kg)(g)c_f/12kg=g c_f##. Assuming that ##c_f## is the same between the top two boxes, the maximum acceleration that can be applied to the second box from the top before the top box starts slipping is ##a=(4kg)(g)c_f/4kg=g c_f##, the same acceleration as for the bottom box. So why is the question asking when the top boxes start to slide?
Maybe we are misinterpreting the (somewhat vague) statement "the forces of static friction between the surfaces of the crates max out at 25 N".
 
tnich said:
If the maximum force of static friction is between the bottom two boxes, then the coefficient of static friction is ##c_f=\frac{25N}{(12kg)(g)}
No, there are only two boxes on top of the one being pushed.
tnich said:
Assuming that ##c_f## is the same between the top two boxes
I would not assume that. Rather, accept the statement that each frictional force is up to 25N. But it doesn't matter to the answer.
 
Darkapostle8 said:
So I attemped this solution by taking the max force of 25 N and diving it by the mass of the creates (4kg)
What are all the forces acting on the middle crate?
 
haruspex said:
What are all the forces acting on the middle crate?
It's not given that's all the question provides.
 
Darkapostle8 said:
It's not given that's all the question provides.
I'm not asking for the magnitudes, just descriptions of them.
 
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