Maximum amount of energy the neutron can lose

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The discussion revolves around a problem in kinetic energy transfer during elastic collisions, specifically involving a fast neutron colliding with a helium atom in a moderator. The original poster is exploring the implications of the term "maximum" in the context of energy loss during the collision.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the maximum energy loss of a neutron and questions the significance of the term "maximum" in the problem statement. Some participants suggest considering the collision angle and the center of momentum frame to analyze energy loss. There is also a discussion about the conditions under which maximum energy loss occurs.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in a productive exploration of the problem, with some confirming the original poster's findings regarding the maximum energy loss. There is recognition that the maximum energy loss occurs during a head-on collision, while non-head-on collisions would result in less energy loss.

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Participants are considering the implications of collision angles and the assumptions made regarding the nature of the collision, including the relevance of the center of mass frame in their analyses.

Sudikshya Pant
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A 1 keV fast neutron (relative mass 1) in a moderator collides elastically with a helium atom He (relative mass 4) at rest. What is the maximum amount of energy the neutron can lose?

My answer is 16/25 of 1ke but while deriving this answer I simply solved based on the question as if the "maximum" in the question didn't exist. But later on I wondered if it has some significance for which I should have applied different method than the general one i.e. using conservation of momentum and energy assuming different final velocities for both the masses.

I also wondered if the answer could be as the neutron 1ke it might lose all of its energy if it comes to a halt but again I doubt that it is possible because helium is not extremely large in mass compared to neutron.

I wanted help to know if there any significance of maximum in the question? I request you to give hint if it does!
 
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There is the possibility that the the collision is not "head on".
 
TSny said:
There is the possibility that the the collision is not "head on".
Based on your comment I tried to solve assuming that the neutron formed certain angle after the collision and then worked the problem out in center of momentum frame. Finally, I reached a point where I had to choose the scattering angle for minimum final velocity of the neutron, which was the direction opposite to that of its initial velocity. The answer was 16/25 of 1keV.

Do you think the answer is wrong?
 
I think 16/25 keV is correct for the maximum loss of KE of the neutron. Your analysis in the center of mass frame is a good way to approach the problem.

This occurs for a head-on collision in which the neutron bounces straight back. If the collision is not head-on, then the neutron would lose less energy. Thus, you have found the maximum KE that the neutron could lose.
 
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TSny said:
I think 16/25 keV is correct for the maximum loss of KE of the neutron. Your analysis in the center of mass frame is a good way to approach the problem.

This occurs for a head-on collision in which the neutron bounces straight back. If the collision is not head-on, then the neutron would lose less energy. Thus, you have found the maximum KE that the neutron could lose.
Thank you for your help.
 

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