Maximum and minimum distance (lagrange multipliers)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the minimum and maximum distances from the origin to a point that lies on a specified plane and an ellipsoid. The constraints are defined by the equations of the plane and the ellipsoid.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Lagrange multipliers to find critical points under the given constraints. There are attempts to derive relationships between variables and explore the implications of specific values of the multiplier.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables and the implications of different cases for the multiplier. Some participants have provided guidance on considering additional scenarios, while others are questioning the correctness of calculated distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in distance calculations and the need to consider both positive and negative solutions. There is uncertainty regarding the minimum distance value derived from the calculated coordinates.

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Homework Statement



A point lies on the plane

x-y+z=0

and on the ellipsoid

[tex]x^2 +\frac{y^2}{4} + \frac{z^2}{4} = 1[/tex]

Find the minimum and maximum distances from the origin of this point.


The Attempt at a Solution



The two contraints

[tex]g = x-y+z =h= x^2 +\frac{y^2}{4} + \frac{z^2}{4}-1=0[/tex]

[tex]f = x^2+y^2+z^2[/tex]



[tex]2x = \lambda + 2\mu x[/tex]
[tex]2y = -\lambda + \frac{1}{2}\mu y[/tex]
[tex]2z = \lambda + \frac{1}{2}\mu z[/tex]

So y=-z?


From g:

[tex]x-y+z=0 \therefore x=2y=-2z[/tex]

from h:

[tex]4y^2+\frac{1}{2}y^2=1\Rightarrow y = \pm\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3}[/tex]

[tex]z=\mp\frac{\sqrt{2}}{3}[/tex]

[tex]x=\pm\frac{2\sqrt{2}}{3}[/tex]

I'm not sure if this is correct.

The question asks for minimum and maximum but the distance function will give identical answers regardless of whether they are positive or negative. So I think I have done it wrong!
 
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You found the minimum. I take it you did something like

[tex]y = -\frac{\lambda}{2(1-\mu/4)}[/tex]

[tex]z = \frac{\lambda}{2(1-\mu/4)}[/tex]

and came to your conclusion that y=-z. This logic works as long as [itex]\mu \ne 4[/itex], so you still have to consider what happens when [itex]\mu=4[/itex]. If you do that, you'll find the other solutions you were looking for.
 
That is what I did, yes. If mu is 4 then from the 3 equations

[tex]2x = \lambda + 8x[/tex]

[tex]2y=-\lambda + 2y[/tex]

[tex]2z=\lambda + 2z[/tex]


I think that this implies that lambda is 0, and that x = 0.

from g: z=y

from h: [tex]z=y=\sqrt{2}[/tex]

A distance of 2 as opposed to the other extreme which is 14/9
 
You also have the negative solutions, which results in the same distance of 2.

You calculated the minimum distance incorrectly. It should be sqrt(4/3).
 
are the x,y and z values wrong for the minimum distance or have I made an error in the distance from correct x,y,z?
 
Just in calculating the distance.
 

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