Maximum Error Using Differentials

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum error in the area of a parallelogram given the lengths of its sides and the angle between them, with specific attention to the use of differentials and error propagation. The problem involves adjacent sides measuring 15ft and 10ft, with maximum errors of ±0.1ft, and an angle of 45° with a maximum error of ±0.5°.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the use of differentials to estimate the maximum error in the area calculation, questioning the accuracy of their inputs and the appropriateness of their methods. There is discussion about the correct interpretation of angular error in degrees versus radians.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering corrections and suggestions for refining their calculations. Some participants have provided insights into the potential discrepancies in their results and the need to compute values directly for comparison with differential approximations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the correct values for maximum errors and the conversion of angular measurements from degrees to radians. Participants are encouraged to verify their calculations against direct computations of area based on the given dimensions and errors.

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Homework Statement


2 adjacent sides of a parallelogram measure 15ft and 10ft w/ max errors of ±0.1ft
angle is 45° w/ max error of ±0.5°

What is the maximum error in the calculated value of the area or the parallelogram?

Homework Equations


A = area = xysinθ

The Attempt at a Solution


x = 15ft dx = dy = ±0.1ft
y = 10ft dθ = ±0.5°
θ = 45°

dA = (∂A/∂x)dx + (∂A/∂y)dy + (∂A/∂θ)dθ
dA = 10sin45°(±0.1) + 15sin45°(±0.1) + 150cos45°(±0.5°)
dA = ±56.3207 ft^2

Not sure if this is correct. Tried to follow examples on my notes. Any help I would greatly appreciate. Thanks
 
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njo said:

Homework Statement


2 adjacent sides of a parallelogram measure 15ft and 10ft w/ max errors of ±.01ft
angle is 45° w/ max error of ±0.5°

What is the maximum error in the calculated value of the area or the parallelogram?

Homework Equations


A = area = xysinθ

The Attempt at a Solution


x = 15ft dx = dy = ±0.1ft
y = 10ft dθ = ±0.5°
θ = 45°

dA = (∂A/∂x)dx + (∂A/∂y)dy + (∂A/∂θ)dθ
dA = 10sin45°(±0.1) + 15sin45°(±0.1) + 150cos45°(±0.5°)

The error in the measurements of the length of the sides is ±0.01 feet, not ±0.1 feet.

When accounting for the tolerances of angular measure, you should always use the equivalent radian measure rather than degrees.

dA = ±56.3207 ft^2

The area of the parallelogram is 106.07 ft2. An error of 56.32 ft2 would render this calculation essentially meaningless.
Not sure if this is correct. Tried to follow examples on my notes. Any help I would greatly appreciate. Thanks

You've got some changes to make.
 
What changes? the differential equation is wrong right?
 
njo said:
What changes? the differential equation is wrong right?
No, the differential equation appears to be correct. You just plugged the wrong numbers into it, as I explained.
 
Sorry I didn't see your whole post on my phone at first. That's a typo. All should be +- 0.1 ft not .01 ft
 
njo said:

Homework Statement


2 adjacent sides of a parallelogram measure 15ft and 10ft w/ max errors of ±0.1ft
angle is 45° w/ max error of ±0.5°

What is the maximum error in the calculated value of the area or the parallelogram?

Homework Equations


A = area = xysinθ

The Attempt at a Solution


x = 15ft dx = dy = ±0.1ft
y = 10ft dθ = ±0.5°
θ = 45°

dA = (∂A/∂x)dx + (∂A/∂y)dy + (∂A/∂θ)dθ
dA = 10sin45°(±0.1) + 15sin45°(±0.1) + 150cos45°(±0.5°)
dA = ±56.3207 ft^2

Not sure if this is correct. Tried to follow examples on my notes. Any help I would greatly appreciate. Thanks

Not correct, even when the ±0.1 is the correct figure.

If the two sides have lengths A and B and the angle is θ, the smallest/largest values of A are A1=14.9 and A2 =15.1, the smallest/largest values of B are B1=9.9 and B2 = 10.1, while the smallest/largest values of θ are θ1= 44.5° and θ2 = 45.5°. The smallest/largest values of the area are A1*B1*sin(θ1) and A2*B2*sin(θ2).

Compute these directly, and see how the results compare with your differential approximation. For example, you can compute Δsin(θ) = sin(45.5°)-sin(45°) exactly as written, and compare that with your calculus-based expression.
 
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A = area = xysinθ
dA = (∂A/∂x)dx + (∂A/∂y)dy + (∂A/∂θ)dθ

So the margin for the area is about 5ft^2. How is my differential equation incorrect? I took each partial and multiplied by the rate of change.
 
njo said:
A = area = xysinθ
dA = (∂A/∂x)dx + (∂A/∂y)dy + (∂A/∂θ)dθ

So the margin for the area is about 5ft^2. How is my differential equation incorrect? I took each partial and multiplied by the rate of change.
Your total differential is correct, but the value you used for ##\Delta \theta## is not correct. It should be a real number, not be in degrees.
 
Mark44 said:
Your total differential is correct, but the value you used for ##\Delta \theta## is not correct. It should be a real number, not be in degrees.

That makes sense. Although I get an answer less than A2*B2*sin(θ2) - A1*B1*sin(θ1)

Δθ = .5pi/180 ≅ .0087 ∴ 10sin45°(±0.1) + 15sin45°(±0.1) + 150cos45°(±.pi/360) ≅ ±2.6934
 
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njo said:
A = area = xysinθ
dA = (∂A/∂x)dx + (∂A/∂y)dy + (∂A/∂θ)dθ

So the margin for the area is about 5ft^2. How is my differential equation incorrect? I took each partial and multiplied by the rate of change.

You should be able to figure out this for yourself, given all the hints you received. Have you actually done what I suggested, that is, compute Δsin(θ) = sin(45.5°)-sin(45°) and then compared that with you calculus-based result?
 
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