Maxwell-Boltzmann Distribution and Probability

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and interpretation of the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution, particularly focusing on the probability of finding a particle with a specific momentum or velocity. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the distribution in the context of statistical thermodynamics.

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  • One participant describes the derivation of the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution using entropy maximization and Lagrangian multipliers, presenting the resulting equations for occupation numbers and state densities.
  • Another participant emphasizes that since momentum is continuous, the probability of finding a particle with exactly momentum p is not meaningful, suggesting instead to consider the probability of finding a particle within an interval.
  • There is a reiteration of the probability expression for finding a particle with momentum between p and p+dp, and for a general interval, integrating the distribution function.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to express the distribution function f(p) from the earlier equations presented.
  • Another participant suggests that the average number of particles with momentum between p and p+dp can be expressed in terms of the total number of particles and the distribution function.
  • Further elaboration leads to the formulation of the momentum distribution and its conversion to velocity distribution, with specific equations provided for both cases.
  • Participants confirm the correctness of the factors involved in the derived expressions for the distributions.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical expressions and the interpretation of the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution, but there is no consensus on the specific form of the distribution function f(p) as it relates to the earlier equations. The discussion remains exploratory with some aspects still under clarification.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of the distribution functions and the integration intervals are not fully resolved, and the discussion includes various mathematical transformations that may depend on specific conditions.

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In the book 'Macroscopic and Statistical Thermodynamics' they derived the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution by maximizing entropy using lagrangian multipliers with constants ##\alpha## and ##\beta##.

The final result is given as:

\frac{\overline {n_j}}{g_j} = e^{-\beta \epsilon_j}e^{-\alpha}

where ##\overline {n_j}## is the occupation number and ##g_j## is the number of states of jth energy level.

After solving for ##e^{-\alpha} = \frac{N}{V}\left(\frac{h^2}{2\pi mkT}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}## and integrating density of states to find ##g_j = \frac{V}{h^3} 4\pi p^2 dp##:

We obtain the maxwell-boltzmann distribution:

\overline {n_j} = \overline {n_{(p)}} dp = N 4\pi \left(\frac{\beta}{2\pi m}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}} p^2 e^{\frac{-p^2}{2mkT}} dp

I obtain the correct speed distribution ##\propto p^2 e^{\frac{-p^2}{2mkT}}##, but What is the probability/fraction of finding a particle with momentum p?
In Blundell's Book, a shorter approach is taken using gibbs' expression for entropy to find the Boltzmann probability:

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Here's the earlier reference to equation (4.13):

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Since the momentum p is a continuous quantity, looking for the probability of finding a particle with exactly p is pretty meaningless. One usually says that, if f(p) is the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution then the probability of find a particle with momentum between p and p+dp is:
$$
P_{[p,p+dp]}=f(p)dp.
$$
For a general interval p\in[p_1,p_2] the probability is simply:
$$
P_{[p_1,p_2]}=\int_{p_1}^{p_2}f(p)dp.
$$
 
Einj said:
Since the momentum p is a continuous quantity, looking for the probability of finding a particle with exactly p is pretty meaningless. One usually says that, if f(p) is the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution then the probability of find a particle with momentum between p and p+dp is:
$$
P_{[p,p+dp]}=f(p)dp.
$$
For a general interval p\in[p_1,p_2] the probability is simply:
$$
P_{[p_1,p_2]}=\int_{p_1}^{p_2}f(p)dp.
$$

Yes I get all that, but what is ##f_{(p)}## from ##\frac{\overline {n_j}}{g_j} = e^{-\beta \epsilon_j}e^{-\alpha}##?
 
Well, I suppose that \bar{n}_j=\bar{n}(p)dp is the average number of particles with momentum between p and p+dp. As you can see from your expression it is equal to the total number of particles N times something. By definition, that "something" is your distribution f(p).
 
Just divide by N.
f=\frac n N
 
Einj said:
Well, I suppose that \bar{n}_j=\bar{n}(p)dp is the average number of particles with momentum between p and p+dp. As you can see from your expression it is equal to the total number of particles N times something. By definition, that "something" is your distribution f(p).

Ok, so the momentum distribution is:

\overline {n_j} = \overline {n}_{(\vec {p})} d^3p = N \left(\frac{\beta}{2\pi m}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}} e^{\frac{-p^2}{2mkT}} d^3\vec{p}

By changing the dp's to dv's, thus the velocity distribution is:

\overline {n_j} = \overline {n}_{(\vec {v})} d^3v = N \left(\frac{\beta m}{2\pi }\right)^{\frac{3}{2}} e^{\frac{-p^2}{2mkT}} d^3\vec{v}

For a particular direction ##v_x##, simply just take one part of 'dv':

\overline {n_j} = \overline {n}_{(\vec {v_x})} dv_x = N \left(\frac{\beta m}{2\pi }\right)^{\frac{1}{2}} e^{\frac{-p_x^2}{2mkT}} d\vec{v}_x

With ##f_{(\vec{v})} = \frac{n_j}{N} = \left(\frac{\beta m}{2\pi}\right)^{\frac{3}{2}} e^{\frac{-p^2}{2mkT}}## and

##f_{(\vec{v_x})} = \left(\frac{\beta m}{2\pi}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}} e^{\frac{-p_x^2}{2mkT}}##

To change from velocity to speed distribution simply expand the ##d^3\vec{p}## to ##4\pi p^2 dp## or ##d\vec{v_x} = 4\pi v^2_x dv_x##.
 
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At a first glance I would say that all the factors are correct. So, yes!
 
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