Maxwell Stress Tensor: Explained for Ben

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the components and understanding of the Maxwell Stress Tensor equation, including its physical significance, units of measurement, and specific terms like the Kronecker Delta. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of the tensor in the context of electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Ben seeks clarification on the components of the Maxwell Stress Tensor equation, particularly the meaning of the Kronecker Delta and the units of the electric and magnetic fields.
  • Some participants explain that the Kronecker Delta is an index notation where \(\delta_{ij} = 1\) if \(i = j\) and \(0\) otherwise, illustrating this with examples from the tensor components.
  • There is a discussion about the units of the electric field \(E\) (Volts/meter) and the magnetic field \(B\) (teslas or weber per meter²), with some uncertainty expressed regarding the natural units for these quantities.
  • Participants describe the stress tensor's graphical interpretation as related to the surfaces of a cube, with normal and shear components represented in the tensor matrix.
  • Ben expresses a desire for practical examples and clarification on how to apply the indices \(i\) and \(j\) in real-life calculations.
  • Some participants suggest that the indices correspond to the x, y, z components of the electric and magnetic fields, and that calculations often involve all nine combinations in a matrix format.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with no consensus reached on all aspects of the tensor's components and their applications. Participants agree on some definitions and interpretations but express differing levels of clarity regarding units and practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific examples to clarify the application of the tensor in real-world scenarios, indicating that the discussion may benefit from further exploration of practical calculations and the context of use.

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Would someone please be able to run me through the different components of the Maxwell Stress Tensor equation.

T_{ij} = \epsilon_0 \left( E_i E_j - \frac{1}{2} \delta_{ij} E^2 \right) + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left( B_i B_j - \frac{1}{2} \delta_{ij} E^2 \right)

I don't understand some of it and would be grateful if someone ran me through.

Thanks,

Ben
 
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What part do you not understand? Or better, what part *do* you understand?
 
Hi Andy,

What I fully understand is the Electric and Magnetic constants.
Im not so sure on the Kronecker Delta.
Everything else is a bit 'iffy'!

I presume that the i and j indices are unit vectors. Would I be right in saying this?

What I was really asking for (should have been more specific in the original post) was the different units the different omponents are measured in (e.g. Teslas etc.) as well as an example that ran through how to do the calculation.

Thanks,

Ben.
 
Ben,

I'm not really sure what the natural units of E and H are- 'E' can be Volts/meter, for example, but then I don't know what the correct unit for B is.

Graphically, I think of the stress tensor as the surface of a cube, with each face of the cube having three directions- 1 normal to the face, the other two tangential. The normal component is like a pressure, and correspond to T_ii (i = 1, 2, 3) while the other two components are like shear terms. It's easy to picture in Cartesian coordinates, anyway.
 
Ben473 said:
Im not so sure on the Kronecker Delta.

I presume that the i and j indices are unit vectors. Would I be right in saying this?

i and j are just indices. \delta_{ij} = 1 if i = j, otherwise it equals 0. For example, \delta_{22} = 1 and \delta_{13} = 0. Therefore,

T_{22} = \epsilon_0 \left( E_2^2 - \frac{1}{2} E^2 \right) <br /> <br /> + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left( B_2^2 - \frac{1}{2} B^2 \right)


T_{13} = \epsilon_0 E_1 E_3 + \frac{1}{\mu_0} B_1 B_3

(oops. I had to correct the second equation. Forgot about \delta_{13} = 0. :blushing:)
 
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Thanks Alex and JtBell.

That really helps. I think I understand it now.

But if I was to do this on a real life object, how would I work out the i and j indices?

Ben.
 
Depends on what you need for a particular calculation. Indices 1,2,3 are the x,y,z components of \vec E and \vec B. Often you deal with all nine combinations at once, in a matrix:

<br /> \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {T_{11} } &amp; {T_{12} } &amp; {T_{13} } \\<br /> {T_{21} } &amp; {T_{22} } &amp; {T_{23} } \\<br /> {T_{31} } &amp; {T_{32} } &amp; {T_{33} } \\<br /> \end{array}} \right)<br />

Or have I missed the point of your question? :confused:
 
Thanks,

I get it now.

I really appreciate your help.

Ben.
 
Ben473 said:
What I was really asking for (should have been more specific in the original post) was the different units the different omponents are measured in (e.g. Teslas etc.) as well as …

Andy Resnick said:
I'm not really sure what the natural units of E and H are- 'E' can be Volts/meter, for example, but then I don't know what the correct unit for B is.

Hi Ben and Andy! :smile:

B is in teslas or weber per metre² or volt-seconds per metre².

For more details, see electric units in PF Library. :smile:
 
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Thanks Tiny-Tim,

I had an inkling that this was the case, but i wasnt sure.

Ben.
 

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