Maxwell's equations for electricity and magnetism

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The discussion revolves around the implications of introducing magnetic monopoles into Maxwell's equations for electricity and magnetism. Participants explore the symmetry of the equations, the nature of electric and magnetic charges, and the conceptual understanding of field lines associated with monopoles.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Maxwell's equations become symmetrical when magnetic monopoles are introduced, leading to the question of why electric charge is not considered a monopole.
  • Others assert that electric charges are indeed monopoles, specifically electric monopoles, and discuss the symmetry in Maxwell's equations regarding electric and magnetic fields.
  • One participant explains that introducing fictitious magnetic currents can aid in computations and that the results remain equivalent in source-free regions.
  • A participant questions the nature of magnetic monopole field lines, suggesting they would extend indefinitely and not return to the monopole, and wonders if this makes them indistinguishable from electric charges.
  • Another participant counters that while magnetic monopole field lines may not return to the same monopole, they could terminate at an opposite monopole, challenging the idea of them extending forever.
  • There is a discussion about whether electric field lines can "crash" into each other, with some clarifying that fields add up through linear superposition rather than interacting directly.
  • One participant notes that including magnetic monopoles in Maxwell's equations results in a cyclic symmetry, allowing for a transformation between electric and magnetic charge densities.
  • A later reply mentions the complexities of maintaining a vector potential in the presence of magnetic charge, suggesting that only one species of charge would be observed in low energy regimes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of monopoles, the implications of their introduction into Maxwell's equations, and the behavior of field lines. No consensus is reached regarding these points, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of experimental observation of magnetic monopoles, which affects the application of these concepts in practical scenarios. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of monopoles and the assumptions made in theoretical frameworks.

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I was reading Michio Kaku's book Prallel Worlds recently and I believe I saw it say that Maxwell's equations for electricity and magnetism become the same for electricity and magnetism when monopoles are introduced.

My question is, if the equations become the same then why don't we say that electric charge is an example of a monopole? I may have misread, but if the equations for monopoles and electric charge are the same then why not?
 
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We've never observed a magnetic monopole experimentally. That's why we don't include them in Maxwell's equations.

Electric charges are monopoles: electric monopoles! :smile:
 


An electric charge is an example of a monopole, like jtbell has explained. In their original state, Maxwell's Equations are almost symmetrical with respect to E and H. Sometimes, for purposes of making the equations symmetrical and/or to aid in computation, we will introduce a "magnetic current." This requires us to change the divergence of the magnetic flux density to give rise to a nonzero magnetic charge.

Now these magnetic currents and charges are completely ficticious, however, if we are solving for fields in a source free region, then the answers will be completely equivalent. In addition, it allows us to make use of the Duality Principle. The Duality Principle uses the symmetry of Maxwell's Equations to switch between the expressions for the E and H fields easily. The magnetic currents also can be used to solve certain problems more easily through the ability to interchange waves and currents (it is sometimes easier to use an equivalent magnetic current across the opening of a cavity to represent the resulting EM waves).

So what you read is true. The introduction of, what we currently consider ficticious, magnetic monopoles and currents, the Maxwell Equations for E and H are the same. For most practical purposes, the results that we get using these adjusted equations are also the same.
 


Thanks for the replies:)

But, for a magnetic monopole, the lines of force wouldn't come back to the monopole because that would make it have two poles, so its lines of force would go on for ever, right? Please correct me if I am wrong.
If magnetic fields interact with electric charges, then wouldn't a monopole, that has lines of force that go forever like an electric fields line of force, be exactly the same as an electric charge, as in irrecognizable from one another?
 


Charlie G said:
Thanks for the replies:)

.. so its lines of force would go on for ever, right? Please correct me if I am wrong.

The force lines will never comeback to the same monople, but that doesn't imply that they have to go on and on for ever..they can easily ''crash'' onto a different (and opposite) monopole.
Cheers.
 


Do electric field lines crash into other electric field lines too?
 


Charlie G said:
Do electric field lines crash into other electric field lines too?

If you have two equal but opposite charges in close proximity they form a dipole which has closed field lines. Electric fields do not "crash" into each other though. Fields do not interact with other fields, they just add up in linear superposition.
 


If magnetic monopoles are included in Maxwell's equations, there in a nice symmetry that results. If you take Maxwell's 4 equations, and replace E with B, and B with -E, then the electic charge density becomes magnetic charge density. As well, magnetic charge density becomes negative electric charge density, etc. It's a cyclic symmetry.

I think Wikipedia has table of Maxwell's equations where magnetic charge is allowed.

edit: here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole"

It's been often said that Maxwell's equations cannot be stated in terms of a vector potential if the magnetic charge can be nonzero (All exact forms are closed.). This is not exactly true. To both allow for magnetic charge, and maintain a (4)vector potential, mandates that generic charge be vectoral. Within such a model, in the low energy regime, only one species of charge would be observed. (So one can have one's cake (magnetic monpoles) and eat it too (no magnetic monopoles have been observed).)
 
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