*May be a stupid question* Does Oxygen/Nitrogen bend space-time?

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The discussion centers on whether oxygen and nitrogen, as forms of matter, can bend space-time and to what extent this occurs. Participants explore the implications of general relativity regarding the bending of space-time by various forms of matter and energy, including atomic and molecular scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the level of matter required to bend space-time and questions if there exists any matter that cannot bend it.
  • Another participant references a source that suggests all matter bends space-time, but the degree of bending varies significantly, with larger bodies like planets or stars having a more pronounced effect.
  • A later reply discusses the bending of space-time at atomic scales, specifically mentioning the Kretschmann invariant as a measure of curvature, noting that near the nucleus of a nitrogen atom, the curvature is significantly greater than at the Earth's surface.

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Participants generally agree that all forms of matter and energy bend space-time according to general relativity. However, there is no consensus on the specific implications or the extent of bending at different scales, particularly regarding atomic versus larger bodies.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the scale of matter being considered (e.g., atoms versus larger quantities) and the implications of general relativity, which may not be fully resolved in terms of specific measurements or definitions.

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I understand that matter and energy bend space time, yet i am curious as to the level at which it requires to bend it. This is obviously an elementary leveled question, but i am quite curious. Also, is there any level of matter that is incapable of bending space-time? Thank you!
 
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http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll3/Carroll6.html" is the explanation that I'm aware of and yes it would make sense that all matter would bend space time but not as much as a planet or a star.
 
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rationalist76 said:
I understand that matter and energy bend space time, yet i am curious as to the level at which it requires to bend it. This is obviously an elementary leveled question, but i am quite curious. Also, is there any level of matter that is incapable of bending space-time? Thank you!

All forms of matter and energy bend spacetime according to general relativity. As for significance, you don't specify whether you mean atoms of oxygen or nitrogen, or a blob of gas (or how much gas). Assuming atoms, and assuming 'near the nucleus', one measure of 'amount of curvature' is the Kretschmann invariant. This invariant next to the nucleus of a Nitrogen atom is over 25 orders of magnitude greater than at the Earth's surface. Thus, one might expect strong tidal gravity at the surface of the nucleus compared to the surface of the earth.
 
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All forms of matter and energy bend spacetime according to general relativity. As for significance, you don't specify whether you mean atoms of oxygen or nitrogen, or a blob of gas (or how much gas). Assuming atoms, and assuming 'near the nucleus', one measure of 'amount of curvature' is the Kretschmann invariant. This invariant next to the nucleus of a Nitrogen atom is over 25 orders of magnitude greater than at the Earth's surface. Thus, one might expect strong tidal gravity at the surface of the nucleus compared to the surface of the earth.

thank you
 

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