Measuring astronomical distances

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on methods for measuring distances to galaxies, specifically exploring alternatives to using redshift as a linear distance indicator. The scope includes theoretical and observational techniques in astronomy.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how distances to other galaxies can be measured without relying on the linear relationship between distance and redshift.
  • Another participant describes the use of Cepheid variables and supernovae as distance indicators, noting that the period of brightness change in Cepheids relates to their absolute brightness, allowing for distance calculations based on apparent brightness.
  • A later reply mentions additional distance measurement methods, including the Tip of the Red Giant Branch (TRGB), Planetary Nebula Luminosity Function (PNLF), Globular Cluster Luminosity Function (GCLF), Surface Brightness Fluctuation (SBF), Tully-Fisher relationship, and Faber-Jackson relationship, suggesting these can provide alternatives to Cepheids and supernovae.
  • The same participant also introduces gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) as a potential new method for extending the distance ladder beyond the limits of supernovae.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on distance measurement techniques, with no consensus reached on a singular method or approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights various methods without resolving the limitations or assumptions associated with each technique, such as the conditions under which they are applicable or their dependence on specific definitions.

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Astronomy enthusiasts, researchers in astrophysics, and students studying distance measurement techniques in cosmology may find this discussion relevant.

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How do we measure distance to another galaxy without using the linearity of distance with red-shift?
 
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To other galaxies - cepheid variables and supernovae

Cepheids are a variable star where the period of the brightness change depends on the mass and so the absolute brightness. If you can measure the period (easy) and the apparent brightness you can calculate the distance since you know that for a each doubling of distance the object appears 4x fainter.
For more distant galaxies where the cepheid would be too faint you can use supernova. Certain types have very repeatable absolute brightnesses because they result from a star of a certain size goign bang - again if you measure the apparent brightness you can work out the distance.
 
Thanks, I understand now..
 
Other fairly exotic yardsticks also exist [which helps us avoid being completely reliant on a single 'candle']. Examples include:Tip of the red giant branch (TRGB), Planetary nebula luminosity function (PNLF) Globular cluster luminosity function (GCLF) Surface brightness fluctuation (SBF), Tully-Fischer relationship, and the Faber-Jackson relationship. These indicators are useful for estimating distances between Cepheid and SN1a ranges. Another candidate in the making is GRB's [gamma ray bursts], which may extend the distance ladder beyond SN1a limits.
 

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