Measuring time delay before charged plates repel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of measuring the time delay before charged parallel plates begin to repel each other. Participants explore the theoretical implications of electrostatic repulsion, the feasibility of experimental measurement, and the factors affecting the timing of the observed effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that there would be a small delay in the repulsion of the plates due to the propagation time of changes in the static field.
  • Another participant questions the method of charging the plates instantaneously, indicating that the separation distance might affect the timing of the electrostatic response.
  • A different participant notes the challenge of conducting such an experiment successfully, emphasizing that the fields propagate at the speed of light.
  • One participant provides specifications for an Electric Field Meter, suggesting that it could detect voltage changes at significant distances, and calculates the time delay for light to travel that distance, proposing that it could be measured with high-frequency electronics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of measuring the time delay and the conditions necessary for such measurements. There is no consensus on the practicality of the experiment or the implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention assumptions regarding the dimensions of the plates and the nature of the electrostatic fields, which may affect the discussion. The dependence on specific measurement techniques and the limitations of experimental setups are also noted.

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Imagine two parallel conducting plates set at a distance of several meters.

If one charges the two plates simultaneously then one would expect a small delay before they started repelling each other due to the time it takes changes in the static field to propagate from one plate to the other.

Could one experimentally measure such a delay?

I guess it would be so small and the deflection of the plates would be so weak that the effect would be unmeasureable.

I don't know if one could use electronic field detectors rather than rely on the mechanical deflection of the plates.
 
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How do you plan to charge the plates instantaneously?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
How do you plan to charge the plates instantaneously?

I was imagining that the separation of the plates was much larger than their dimensions so that the time it takes to charge the plates is small compared to the delay time in the electrostatic repulsion.

I guess this would mean that the repulsion would be very weak in that case.
 
That's a very hard experiment to perform successfully. The fields propagate at the speed of light (because it is light)
 
I've looked up the specifications of an Electric Field Meter (JCI140 Field Mill Static Monitor from Chilworth Technology) and the manufacturers say that it can measure a surface voltage of 1 volt at a distance of 1/10 meter.

Therefore if one charged up an electrode to 1 MV then according to the inverse square law it should be just detectable at a distance of 100 meters.

The time delay for light to travel 100 meters is about [itex]3\times 10^{-7}[/itex]secs which would be easily measured with a GHz electronic oscillator.
 

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