Mechanical acceleration and veloctiy relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mechanical acceleration and velocity, specifically in the context of a particle's motion described by the equation a=42-12x². Participants are addressing a homework problem involving the determination of velocity at a specific position and the position when the velocity returns to zero.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the motion equation and initial conditions, attempting to find velocity at x=6 and the position when velocity becomes zero.
  • Another participant notes that a = dv/dt and emphasizes that v cannot be directly integrated with respect to x without considering time.
  • A participant expresses confusion about integrating with respect to time, indicating uncertainty about the variable dt.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the meaning of the integral symbol and the necessity of integrating with respect to time.
  • Another participant suggests a method involving the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and position, using the equation a = v(dv/dx) and integrating accordingly.
  • One participant acknowledges the cleverness of the method proposed by another, indicating a recognition of the approach without asserting its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to integrating the acceleration equation, with some suggesting methods that rely on relationships between variables while others question the initial setup of the problem. No consensus is reached on the correct method or the validity of the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and position, as well as the dependence on time. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the integration process and the correctness of the initial conditions provided.

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Homework Statement



The motion of a particle is expressed by a=42-12x2 where a is in m/s2 and X is in m, with the initial condition: v=0 when x=0 and t=0
Determine v when X=6
Determine X when v becomes 0 again

Homework Equations


I tried using a=dv/dt so i took the anti derivative of a to find the equation of v which turned out to be 42x-4x^3 + c and then pluged in 6 for x and found v=-612m/s

but then for the second part when i tried finding the roots of the equation b i have two answers +3.2 and -3.2

So i don't know if i should use +3.2 or -3.2
Can someone tell me if I am doing anything wrong? :(


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Note that a = [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex]

and so v = [itex]\int[/itex]adt but v [itex]\neq[/itex][itex]\int[/itex]adx.
 
so we would integrate (a*dt) but I am not sure wat dt is :P
 
I think that you know that the symbol

[itex]\int[/itex]...dt

means

'integrate ... with respect to t'
 
adt does not mean that a is multiplied by anything.
 
You can't integrate your equation with respect to t as your equation doesn't rely on t (which it should in an ideal world). Maybe you copied down wrong?
 
One can use the following:

a = [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex][itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex] = v[itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex]

hence ∫a dx = ∫v dv = [itex]\frac{v^{2}}{2}[/itex] + constant
 
grzz said:
One can use the following:

a = [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex][itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex] = v[itex]\frac{dv}{dx}[/itex]

hence ∫a dx = ∫v dv = [itex]\frac{v^{2}}{2}[/itex] + constant

Clever.
 
I was reminded about that other method by a recent post on PHYSICS FORUMS!
 

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