Mechanical energy to kinetic energy storage....?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of utilizing mechanical energy to produce kinetic energy, specifically focusing on systems that can store mechanical energy for later use without relying on electrical energy. Participants explore various mechanisms and examples that illustrate this idea.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a system can store mechanical energy to be converted into kinetic energy later, using the example of pedaling a bike without moving.
  • Another participant asserts that kinetic energy is a form of mechanical energy.
  • There is confusion about whether the discussion pertains to a flywheel as a potential system for storing mechanical energy.
  • A participant suggests that compressing air with a piston is an example of storing mechanical energy that can be released later.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the definition of mechanical energy, with a participant noting that it encompasses various forms of energy, including potential energy.
  • Examples of systems that store potential energy for later conversion to kinetic energy are proposed, such as a Grandfather Clock, springs, compressed gas, and elevated water tanks.
  • One participant mentions the use of batteries in F1 cars to store energy from brakes and turbo-chargers, which can then be used to boost performance.
  • Another example provided is pushing a minecart up a hill as a method of storing mechanical energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of mechanical energy and its storage. While some agree on the concept of potential energy being a form of stored mechanical energy, others challenge the clarity of the original question, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding mechanical energy, potential energy, and the specific mechanisms being discussed. The conversation reflects varying interpretations of these concepts.

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Can there be a system that utilizes mechanical energy to produce kinetic energy, but "storing" the mechanical energy to be used at a different time for kinetic energy? Like a bike where you pedal but don't move; that mechanical energy is waiting to be "released" by some mechanism

*** exclude wind turbines, specifically I'm asking about a system that DOES NOT have to use any electrical energy if that's possible
 
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Kinetic energy IS mechanical energy.
 
I'm confused too, but are you just talking about a flywheel?
 
RICKYtan said:
Can there be a system that utilizes mechanical energy to produce kinetic energy, but "storing" the mechanical energy to be used at a different time for kinetic energy? Like a bike where you pedal but don't move; that mechanical energy is waiting to be "released" by some mechanism

*** exclude wind turbines, specifically I'm asking about a system that DOES NOT have to use any electrical energy if that's possible

If you compress air with a cylinder and a piston, you're doing just that - the energy can be released at any time by letting go of the piston.
 
nasu said:
Kinetic energy IS mechanical energy.

Yes that's true I was thinking ahead
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russ_watters said:
I'm confused too, but are you just talking about a flywheel?

That's all true i was thinking ahead. I really meant generating mechanical energy in one system, "transferring" or "storing" it to another system to be used later as mechanical energy...which in turn generates kinetic energy
 
RICKYtan said:
That's all true i was thinking ahead. I really meant generating mechanical energy in one system, "transferring" or "storing" it to another system to be used later as mechanical energy...which in turn generates kinetic energy
So, again, you appear to think "mechanical energy" is something specific when in reality it is a category that encompasses kinetic energy, potential energy, sound energy, spring energy, pressure energy, etc. So what you are asking is circular and trivially true. It's like asking if you can use a dollar as money.

Please try to reword it to describe the actual mechanism of energy you are trying to generate and store. A bike wheel? A rock held over your head? A compressed spring? Eetc.
 
RICKYtan said:
"storing" it to another system to be used later as mechanical energy...which in turn generates kinetic energy
How about a Grandfather Clock?
 
Possibly that you mean potential energy, to be later converted to kinetic energy. Any system with potential energy is doing this "storing": a spring, compressed gas, a water tank at some height above the ground, etc.
 
A battery, for instance, with a generator connected to a mechanical device of some sort. The F1 cars collect energy from the brakes and from the turbo-charger and store it in the battery. This stored energy is then used as a boost for the Internal combustion engine or to keep the turbo spinning at low engine load. There are countless examples of this and efficient energy storage is a problem everyone would like to solve.
 
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Or, you can push a minecart up a hill.
 
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