Mechanical leverage to increase length?

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To increase the length of movement in a rope system without amplifying force, conservation of energy principles must be considered, as any amplification of length will inherently require an increase in force. Gears have been attempted but result in increased force along with movement. Alternatives such as differential pulleys, bicycle chains over movable sprockets, and fluid-coupled hydraulic cylinders have been suggested, but they also introduce issues with friction and energy loss. The discussion highlights the challenge of achieving the desired mechanical advantage while minimizing energy loss. Overall, achieving the goal without increasing force remains a complex problem.
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Im trying to increase the length of a movement of a rope so when one rope is pulled the other rope movement is increased x 2 (it is attached across). So far i have tried gears whice has somewhat worked but it increases the force as well. Is there any other way to achieve this amplification with the same force?
 
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manp said:
Hi

Im trying to increase the length of a movement of a rope so when one rope is pulled the other rope movement is increased x 2 (it is attached across). So far i have tried gears whice has somewhat worked but it increases the force as well. Is there any other way to achieve this amplification with the same force?
Sorry, no, that would violate conservation of energy.
 
The energy expended will be proportional to the distance moved, multiplied by the force applied.
Conservation of energy requires that the force * distance product remain equal for the input and output.
Twice the force over half the distance is a possible solution using a mechanical system.
 
Thanks for the replies...i thought there'd be np solutions. Is there any other way except gears, levers? With minimal friction, energy loss?
 
Baluncore said:
A bicycle chain over a movable sprocket, or an endless chain, differential pulley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_pulley

Fluid coupled hydraulic cylinders, with different cross section cylinders to set the ratio.

Thanks for the ideas, I've tried all of them
but there's too much friction and energy loss I am creating.
 
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