Medicine & Physics -- Question about chest tube suction techniques

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The discussion revolves around the physics of chest tube suction techniques, specifically focusing on the mechanics of underwater seal bottles used in medical settings to prevent air from entering the patient's chest cavity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the function of the underwater seal in chest tubes, questioning how it prevents air from moving towards the patient despite the presence of air in the trap bottle. They also compare different types of chest tube setups and discuss the implications of pressure differences in fluid dynamics.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the physics principles involved, particularly regarding pressure differences and fluid behavior in the context of chest tube systems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mechanics of pressure and flow, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of their medical knowledge and are revisiting physics concepts that may not have been recently applied. There is a focus on understanding the underlying principles rather than solving a specific problem.

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Homework Statement


Hi,
I'm a junior doctor. It's been so long since I had physics!
I've question about tube that's placed in chest cavity to drain air/fluid/etc.
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The second bottle, is under-water seal bottle.
I know that its purpose is to prevent air moving TO the patient. but how?
The "trap bottle" has air! why can't it go to the patient??

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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I don't think my question was very clear..

The picture was about chest tube.
Which has different types.
The pic in previous post is called 3-chamber..

there is another thing which is single-chamber:
which is in figure A:
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This is pretty easy .. like if I have a cup filled with water and a straw. I can't suck air from the cup but I can blow air into the cup
but in 3-chamber. why I can't suck air from the bottle?
 
Trying to do so would raise water in the pipe of the middle bottle, until the pressure difference stops the reverse flow (or until liquid from the middle bottle reaches the left bottle, or you drain so much liquid from the second bottle that air does enter the pipe there).
Ideally, this stops reverse flow before air reached the end of the pipe going to (coming from) the patient.
 
Thanks.
"until the pressure difference stops the reverse flow" can you explain how? by reminding me with the physics principle or something like that
 
Sucking up water in the middle bottle needs a lower pressure in the left bottle (compared to the middle one). A higher water level in the pipe needs a larger pressure difference. For every fixed pressure difference there will be some equilibrium, as long as the water does not rise high enough to flow downwards into the left bottle.
 

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