Mesh Analysis for time domains?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of mesh analysis in circuit theory, specifically focusing on the formulation of mesh equations in the s-domain for a given circuit. Participants are examining the correctness of their equations and the implications of current direction on these equations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their mesh equations for a circuit but finds discrepancies with a referenced solution.
  • Another participant questions the use of the term "time domain" when the analysis appears to be in the s-domain, suggesting a potential misunderstanding.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the direction of the mesh currents, with one participant stating that I1 is clockwise and I2 is anticlockwise.
  • It is suggested that the equations should incorporate the total mesh current as I1 + I2 due to the opposing directions of the currents at a junction.
  • Participants discuss the implications of current direction on the formulation of the mesh equations, indicating that if currents are in the same direction, the original equations may be correct.
  • Agreement is expressed by some participants that the equations would be correct if both currents are drawn in the same direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial mesh equations, as participants are debating the impact of current direction on these equations. Some participants agree on the need to adjust the equations based on current direction, while others maintain differing views on the formulation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the application of mesh analysis in different domains (s-domain vs. time domain) and the assumptions made about current directions, which are critical for formulating correct equations.

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Homework Statement
Solve the following mesh circuit.
Relevant Equations
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I've tried to solve the following circuit using mesh equation, but the solution seems to differ from my attempted answer.

Mesh circuit as follows:

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My mesh equation is:

-10+3(i1)+2s(i1-i2)=0 (for the mesh on the left)
and
-10+12(i2)+6s(i2)+2s(i2-i1)=0 (right mesh)

However the answer seems to be different and claims that the equation are as follows:

1589772263290.png


Am I missing something here?
Thanks
 
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You have to show us how you took the directions of currents ##I_1,I_2## to be

And why you say in time domain since it seems you doing it in the s-domain (Laplace transformed currents)?
 
Sorry, what I meant was s domain.
As shown in the diagram, I1 is in the clockwise direction, while I2 (the one on the right) is in anticlockwise.
 
Then in your equations you should put ##I_1+I_2## where you have ##I_1-I_2## (or ##I_2-I_1##) and then your answer is the same with the book answer.
You should put ##I_1+I_2## because that's what we get -given the current directions as you say -if we apply KCL at the junction with the 3##\Omega## resistor the 6s coil and the 2s coil ,
 
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Sorry I now understood you use mesh currents, but still the total mesh current in the branch that has the source and the 2s coil is ##I_1+I_2## because one is clockwise and the other counterclockwise.
 
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Delta2 said:
Sorry I now understood you use mesh currents, but still the total mesh current in the branch that has the source and the 2s coil is ##I_1+I_2## because one is clockwise and the other counterclockwise.
Oh I see. So if they are in the same direction, my old equations will then be correct?
This:
10+3(i1)+2s(i1-i2)=0 (for the mesh on the left)
and
-10+12(i2)+6s(i2)+2s(i2-i1)=0 (right mesh)
 
jisbon said:
Oh I see. So if they are in the same direction, my old equations will then be correct?
This:
10+3(i1)+2s(i1-i2)=0 (for the mesh on the left)
and
-10+12(i2)+6s(i2)+2s(i2-i1)=0 (right mesh)
Yes I believe the above equations are correct if both are anticlockwise.
 
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I agree with Delta. You draw both of the currents in the same direction and so their sign should not flip.
 
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