Mesh Analysis Help: Solve Circuit for i1 & i2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a circuit using mesh analysis to find the mesh currents i1 and i2. Participants share their equations, calculations, and experiences with potential discrepancies between their results and those provided in textbooks.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, James, presents his equations for i1 and i2 but believes he has made an error in his calculations, leading to an incorrect value for i2.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the determinant of the matrix formed by the equations to find the correct values for the mesh currents.
  • Several participants question the validity of the results, noting that discrepancies may arise from errors in textbooks or instructor-provided answers.
  • One participant provides their calculated values for i1 and i2, which differ from James's results, suggesting that the textbook may be incorrect.
  • Another participant shares their equations in a visual format, indicating their approach to the problem.
  • One participant clarifies that they did not imply James was wrong but aimed to provide guidance on applying mesh analysis for future reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the answers, with some suggesting that the textbook may contain errors. There is no consensus on the correct values for i1 and i2, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and calculations, but there are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that may affect the outcomes. The discussion includes multiple interpretations of the circuit and its analysis.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in mesh analysis, circuit theory, and those seeking to understand common pitfalls in solving circuit problems.

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Hi,

I have the following circuit:
[PLAIN]http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6476/upg2.png

But when i try to calculate the mesh currents i end up with the wrong answer.

This is what i did:
Equation for i1:
[tex]6i_1 + 18(i_1-i_2) -30[/tex]
Equation for i2:
[tex]17i_2 + 18(i_2-i_1) -19[/tex]

Adding currents in the first equation:
[tex]24i_1 - 18i_2 -30[/tex]

Adding currents in the second equation:
[tex]35i_2 - 18i_1 -19[/tex]

[tex]18i_1 = 35i_2 -19[/tex]
[tex]i_1 = 1.94i_2-1.056[/tex]

Inserting into the first equation i get
[tex]24(1.94i_2-1.056) - 18i_2 -30[/tex]

Which gives that [tex]i_2 = 1.93[/tex] but that's wrong

Where did i go wrong ?

/james
 
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James889 said:
Hi,

I have the following circuit:
[PLAIN]http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6476/upg2.png

But when i try to calculate the mesh currents i end up with the wrong answer.

This is what i did:
Equation for i1:
[tex]6i_1 + 18(i_1-i_2) -30[/tex]
Equation for i2:
[tex]17i_2 + 18(i_2-i_1) -19[/tex]

Adding currents in the first equation:
[tex]24i_1 - 18i_2 -30[/tex]

Adding currents in the second equation:
[tex]35i_2 - 18i_1 -19[/tex]

[tex]18i_1 = 35i_2 -19[/tex]
[tex]i_1 = 1.94i_2-1.056[/tex]

Inserting into the first equation i get
[tex]24(1.94i_2-1.056) - 18i_2 -30[/tex]

Which gives that [tex]i_2 = 1.93[/tex] but that's wrong

Where did i go wrong ?

/james
you need to get a determinant for the matrix first notice its a 2 x 2 so you would put it in like this rt in first minus the r they share and the same for the second, then you'd use the voltage on the side [24 -18]30
[-18 35] 19
------------ then you do your matrix and get your first determinate
then you sub in the 30 and the 19 for a then b once you have that its a/d and b/d
 
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Why do you think your answer is wrong? Is it because the answer given by the textbook (or your instructor) is different? Sometimes textbooks have the wrong answer for problems.

The answer I get is:

I1 = 2.69767
I2 = 1.93023
 
The Electrician said:
Why do you think your answer is wrong? Is it because the answer given by the textbook (or your instructor) is different? Sometimes textbooks have the wrong answer for problems.

The answer I get is:

I1 = 2.69767
I2 = 1.93023

Alright thanks, looks like the answer in my textbook is wrong.
 
just wondering what text are u using?
 
2 Equations & 2 Unknowns.
My Equations

Mesh 1:
[PLAIN]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4645835/MATH/mesh1.gif

Mesh 2:
[PLAIN]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4645835/MATH/mesh2.gif
 
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The Electrician said:
Why do you think your answer is wrong? Is it because the answer given by the textbook (or your instructor) is different? Sometimes textbooks have the wrong answer for problems.

The answer I get is:

I1 = 2.69767
I2 = 1.93023

I never said you were wrong, I shown him how to apply mesh anly so he could use it in the future. if you notice i didn't give an answer ;)
 

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