Might anyone recommend an opamp?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the selection and use of operational amplifiers (opamps) and voltage regulators for stepping down voltage from a 30V power adapter to 15V for an experimental circuit. Participants explore the appropriate components for powering a commercial satellite finder and address issues related to current draw and circuit behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about selecting an appropriate opamp, having only used the 741 model previously.
  • Another participant suggests that if the goal is to power the circuit, a voltage regulator, such as the LM317, would be more suitable than an opamp.
  • A participant mentions that their circuit has an equivalent resistance of about 10 ohms and questions the adequacy of a voltage divider for their needs.
  • Discussion includes the need to calculate power dissipation in regulators and the importance of heat sinking for components like the LM317.
  • Concerns are raised about the current draw of the circuit, with one participant noting it seems to be drawing almost an amp, which exceeds the power supply's capacity.
  • Another participant warns that using a 30V supply for a circuit designed for lower voltage could damage the components.
  • One participant shares their experience of building a variable power supply with an LM317, reporting a more reasonable current draw afterward.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a voltage regulator is more appropriate than an opamp for powering the circuit. However, there are differing views on the specifics of the power supply requirements and the implications of using the existing 30V supply.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about circuit behavior, power supply characteristics, and the potential for damage to components, but these aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electronics, particularly those working with power supplies, voltage regulation, and operational amplifiers in experimental setups.

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I have a 30V, 500mA power adapter that I would like to step down to 15 V with a voltage divider and run through a voltage follower (opamp) for connection to an experimental circuit.

I have really only ever used 741s, and honestly have no idea how to shop for an appropriate opamp here.
 
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mishima said:
I have a 30V, 500mA power adapter that I would like to step down to 15 V with a voltage divider and run through a voltage follower (opamp) for connection to an experimental circuit.

I have really only ever used 741s, and honestly have no idea how to shop for an appropriate opamp here.

What does this voltage input do for your experimental circuit? If you are meaning to power the circuit, an opamp is not the right device (you should use a buck power supply). If you are meaning to monitor the voltage of the input supply, you can step it down further and use a single-supply opamp like the LM324 jellybean opamp to handle that chore.
 
Right, it was supposed to power it. For reasons I don't understand, my circuit has an equivalent resistance of about 10 ohms (might be shorted somewhere). It wasn't getting enough when just connected to the output of a 1k/1k voltage divider (~0.29V). I thought a voltage follower would solve this, bringing the voltage output of the divider back up to 15 and the current to the most my load could handle. Seems I need to hit the books again.
 
The proper component is a voltage regulator, like the LM317. http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm317-n.pdf But, you need to calculate the power it dissipates to determine whether you need a heatsink. The TO-220 package can dissipate about a watt without a heatsink, which is 1watt/15V = 66ma. That is equivalent to a 15/.066 = 225 ohm resistor.

Or, you can look for a 15V fixed output regulator.

Again, regardless of the regulator you choose, you need to consider the power dissipated in the regulator (voltage drop across regulator times current drawn) and its thermal conductivity (junction to case, and case to ambient) to determine the proper heat sinking.

There are several LM317 tutorials out there. But feel free to ask more questions.
 
It seems to be drawing almost an amp. I will take a look, I've used 7805s before for logic stuff.
 
If it is drawing an amp, a 30V 500ma supply won't survive.

To supply 15V at 1 amp with a passive regulator you need a supply that can supply 1 amp. If you choose 30V 1 amp (bad choice) your regulator will have to dissipate 15 watts. Some LM317's can handle 1.5A, 40V, so all you need is to get a heat sink that will keep the case below 120 degrees. 15W and 100 degrees (some margin) is a heatsink with a 100/15 = 20 C/watt rating. Here is a cheap one that is 10 C/W.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Aavid-Thermalloy/590102B03600G/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMttgyDkZ5WiujtDgMXvSGZ4a2raVWidJys%3d
 
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Thank you, that's quite helpful. I'm sure there is a better power supply out there, but the 30V .5A is what I have at the moment for free (until it dies, apparently).

The project is a commercial satellite finder which is intended to run off of a coaxial power supply running from something like a directTV box (13-18V). The guide I am following suggested batteries but they were draining after less than one hour (obviously due to the 1A current) so I am trying to slap together a wall wart kind of setup.

http://www.gb.nrao.edu/epo/ambassadors/ibtmanualshort.pdf

Since that guide (and others on the net and SARA publications) never mention this problem it is likely I have done something wrong. It is probably an impedance mismatch between the twin leads I am currently using from the wall wart and the stripline on the circuit board of the signal meter.
 
I'm not sure what you understand about power supplies. Power supplies have to be low-impedance.

The 30V supply WILL fry the receiver (if it hasn't already). You can't use a series resistor or a resistor divider. You need to buy a cheap supply or use a regulator. There are 18V wall supplies on ebay.
 
I understand little about anything electronics. :) I've probably fried it then, given the odd behavior. I'll try again with a new finder (they are only $7) and an actual 18V power supply. Thanks again.
 
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I built a variable power supply with a LM317 as suggested, the current when measured at the same location is a much more reasonable 75 mA with this setup. Thanks for the tip.
 

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