Modelling the height of a block up a slope with time

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The discussion revolves around modeling the height of a block on a slope connected to another mass via a pulley system, considering forces such as gravity and friction. The forces acting on the block include gravitational force down the slope and frictional force, leading to an expression for acceleration when the second mass exceeds the required force to move the block. The height of the block as a function of time is derived using kinematic equations, but there is uncertainty about the complexity of the solution. Participants emphasize the need to analyze both masses separately and consider the effects of tension in the string. The conversation highlights the importance of accounting for different scenarios based on the relationship between the masses and friction coefficients.
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1. Homework Statement


A block, of mass M1, on the rough slope shown is attached to another mass M2 by a light, inextensible string which passes over a frictionless pulley as shown in the diagram (the coefficient of friction between the block and the slope is u ). The block is released from rest. Find an expression for the height of the block above the bottom of the slope as a function of time. (You should consider the full range of behaviour that may happen for different values of the parameters).

Homework Equations


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F(gravity down slope) = mgsin(theta)
F(friction down slope) = umgcos(theta)
f=ma
s = ut +1/2at^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Force of gravity on block is m1gsin(theta)
Force of friction on block is um1gcos(theta)
Force needed to push block up slope at constant speed = m1gsin(theta) + um1gcos(theta)
If M2g > Force needed then block will accelerate up slope with a=(M2g-(m1gsin(theta) + um1gcos(theta)))/m1
vertical component of that acceleration = asin(theta)
height = ut + 1/2at^2
height = 0.5*(m2g-(m1gsing(theta) + um1gcos(theta)))/m1)sin(theta)*t^2
I'm pretty sure this answer is wrong as it is so complex, but would just like either confirmation that it is right/wrong and where to go
 
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oMattz said:
Force of friction on block is um1gcos(theta)
The problem statement does not discriminate static and kinetic coefficients, but it does ask you to consider all possibilities. What would be a more circumspect statement than the above?
oMattz said:
If M2g > Force needed then block will accelerate up slope
True. What if it isn't, though?
oMattz said:
with a=(M2g-(m1gsin(theta) + um1gcos(theta)))/m1
Don't forget M2 will accelerate too. Consider the tension and analyse the forces on each mass separately.
 
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