Moisure build up in sealed unit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of moisture buildup in a sealed light fixture housing electronic components, particularly in the context of temperature fluctuations and humidity. Participants explore potential design solutions and materials to mitigate condensation issues within the unit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where humidity enters a sealed cavity of a light fixture, leading to condensation on electronic components when temperatures drop at night.
  • Another participant suggests that moisture can indeed cause serious problems for electronics and recommends considering design elements such as shape and materials to minimize risks.
  • Some participants propose using a membrane to allow moisture to escape when the unit is warm.
  • One suggestion includes using conformal coating to protect sensitive circuitry from moisture.
  • A participant recommends leaving a small vent hole at the bottom of the unit to allow for drainage and air circulation.
  • Another participant suggests incorporating silica gel desiccant to absorb moisture, noting that it can be regenerated periodically.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of vent holes, with one participant arguing that temperature changes might not allow moisture to escape quickly enough.
  • There is a discussion about the placement of vent holes, debating whether they should be at the bottom or top of the unit to manage condensation effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that moisture poses a significant risk to electronics in sealed units, but there are multiple competing views on the best methods to mitigate this issue. Suggestions vary from using desiccants to venting strategies, and no consensus is reached on a single solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of different solutions, such as venting and coatings, and acknowledge that the specific design and environmental conditions may influence outcomes.

johanndavel
Hi guys, so I am building this light fixture as a concept an inside of the light fixture is a sealed cavity which houses the power supply and control gear. Now to service this unit that cavity opens up, but let's say on a hot humid day the unit is opened and that air enters the cavity. Its then closed until next time, but in the meanwhile every night just before the light switches on it becomes very cold and the moisture in the close environment condensates on my electronic or onto the roof and causes problems, or am i over thinking this?
 
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Hello Johann, :welcome:

You are not over-thinking this: moisture and electronics can be a serious cause of problems. You have some worse-case scenario and try to think of a design that minimizes the risks: shape, materials choice, perhaps even a membrane to let the moisture go out with air when the unit is warm, ...
 
BvU said:
Hello Johann, :welcome:

You are not over-thinking this: moisture and electronics can be a serious cause of problems. You have some worse-case scenario and try to think of a design that minimizes the risks: shape, materials choice, perhaps even a membrane to let the moisture go out with air when the unit is warm, ...
As i feared haha, so do you know of any material i can rad up on or do you think its up to doing some experiments ?
 
Don't know of any reading material. (no expert, just a physicist).
Common sense can get you a long way: spray-paint sensitive circuitry (if present).
 
search "conformal coating"
i'd leave a small vent hole at bottom so it can breathe and water will drip out.
 
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How about a bag of silica gel desiccant? It can be regenerated on a fixed schedule, or (if an indicating type is used) whenever the color changes.
 
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Asymptotic said:
How about a bag of silica gel desiccant? It can be regenerated on a fixed schedule, or (if an indicating type is used) whenever the color changes.
I think this is the best idea thank you
 
So called "sealed lighting units" are rarely air tight. Temperature changes can cause the air inside to expand and contract pushing past gaskets.
 
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Use a small vent hole, say 1mm. Plug it with a fine synthetic felt or thread filter to keep insects out.

You must decide if the vent will be at the bottom to drain liquid, or sheltered at the top, where the lower density water vapour component will be concentrated. Since condensation is the problem, a top hole is indicated.
 
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Vent hole is OK only for limited climate variations. If the speed of the temperature change is too fast then moisture can't get out in time.

Coating might be OK, but that also has limits.

If it is really a sealed space then a bag of desiccant is your friend. Replace if every time when you open it and it will be fine.
 
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