Applied heat and thermodynamics.

[Harrybarlow]

Okay, to give a little contextual background, for one of my units we have been given an abandoned town in south-west queensland (AU). It was inhabited by the natives for a while, then Australia was colonised, now no one lives there and there's a few garbagety buildings that are falling apart. The natives have recently been given the rights to the land, and we were tasked with the job of making the place habitable.

The largest building in the area, the shearing shed, is 40x9.5m and is just made from a layer of corrugated tin. Our proposal is to make a roof cavity, which is to insulate the roof preventing heat transfer and making the building livable. It should be noted that the temperature fluctuates from below freezing at night, to around 50C during the day.

Whilst i think that the roof cavity should prevent the rest of the building from getting too hot during the day(since most of the heat a building is absorbed through the roof via the EM radiation from the sun). I was concerned that, at night when thermal conductivity between the thin walls with a large surface area and the air would cause the building to be cold at night. I am struggling to find information on my problem, and was wondering if someone with a heat/thermo background could help me out. Thanks!

 

[Andrew Mason]

Okay, to give a little contextual background, for one of my units we have been given an abandoned town in south-west queensland (AU). It was inhabited by the natives for a while, then Australia was colonised, now no one lives there and there's a few garbagety buildings that are falling apart. The natives have recently been given the rights to the land, and we were tasked with the job of making the place habitable.

The largest building in the area, the shearing shed, is 40x9.5m and is just made from a layer of corrugated tin. Our proposal is to make a roof cavity, which is to insulate the roof preventing heat transfer and making the building livable. It should be noted that the temperature fluctuates from below freezing at night, to around 50C during the day.

Whilst i think that the roof cavity should prevent the rest of the building from getting too hot during the day(since most of the heat a building is absorbed through the roof via the EM radiation from the sun). I was concerned that, at night when thermal conductivity between the thin walls with a large surface area and the air would cause the building to be cold at night. I am struggling to find information on my problem, and was wondering if someone with a heat/thermo background could help me out. Thanks!

I would not worry about the walls. In addition to insulating the roof, if can you paint it white or silver to reflect light and heat, you will make it even cooler during the day and warmer at night.

AM

 

[Naty1]

I WOULD worry about the walls especially if they constitute a large area...heat transfer occurs in three ways conduction, convection and radiation.

basics here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer

You'd be most convcerned with conduction...with inside and outside temperatures the same, there will be none...but if inside is say 70 degrees F and the outside 0 degrees, there will be a LOT. With a 70 degree temperature difference, there will be 70 times the heat loss of a 1 degree difference.


Q = U [delta T], where U is heat exchanges, U is conductance and delta T the difference in temperature...where U is the inverse of R, the insulation value.
whatever Q, heat loss you calculate, will be the heat required to maintain daytime temps at the temperature difference you select...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_conduction

R values for many materials are shown here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulation_value

Your shed is almost certainly steel, not tin, but the R values are likely very close..


Here's another table, in different units..watts/ sq meter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conductivity

Looks like stainless steell might be 20 times as conductive as glass...1/20 the R value in other words, close enough for your calculation.

 

[Andrew Mason]

I WOULD worry about the walls especially if they constitute a large area...heat transfer occurs in three ways conduction, convection and radiation.

basics here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer

Here's why I wouldn't worry about the walls. If the roof is insulated and a ceiling installed, you will have a lot of very warm air trapped in the roof cavity that will tend to keep the building from getting too cool during the night. If the walls eliminate convection (ie. there are no large holes), you are likely not going to lose enough heat through radiation/conduction to cause a problem. If the temperature goes to a few degrees below 0C and all you want to do is maintain 20C temperature inside, I suspect the roof will keep you warm enough at night.

AM

 

[sardar]

I would suggest looking into the principles of heat transfer and thermodynamics to address this problem. The first step would be to calculate the heat transfer coefficient for the building's walls and roof, taking into account their materials and thickness. This will give an idea of how quickly heat can transfer through these surfaces.

Next, I would recommend considering the thermal conductivity of the proposed insulation material for the roof cavity. This will determine how well it can prevent heat transfer from the outside to the inside of the building during the day.

To address your concern about the building getting too cold at night, it would be important to also consider the thermal mass of the building. This refers to the ability of a material to store and release heat. In this case, the thick corrugated tin walls may have a high thermal mass, which can help regulate the temperature inside the building by absorbing heat during the day and releasing it at night.

Additionally, incorporating passive solar design principles such as shading and ventilation can also help regulate the temperature inside the building. This involves strategically placing windows and vents to allow for natural airflow and minimize direct sunlight during the hottest part of the day.

Overall, a thorough understanding of heat transfer and thermodynamics principles can help inform your proposal and ensure that the building is habitable in both hot and cold weather conditions.