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The discussion revolves around the ground state HOMO level of a molecule with two opposite-spin electrons, specifically addressing the nature of the singlet and triplet states in quantum mechanics. The participants explore the implications of antisymmetry in the total wavefunction and the construction of Slater determinants, focusing on theoretical aspects of electron configurations and spin states.

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  • Some participants assert that the total wavefunction must be antisymmetric, leading to specific configurations for two electrons in one orbital.
  • One participant provides a mathematical representation of the Slater determinant for two electrons in one orbital, emphasizing the need for antisymmetry in the spin part of the wavefunction.
  • Another participant questions how to separate the spin and orbital parts of the wavefunction when using two different orbitals to form Slater determinants.
  • There is a suggestion that two different Slater determinants can be formed with two orbitals, which can lead to both singlet and triplet states.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the relationship between the Slater determinants and the construction of spin states, indicating some confusion regarding the implications of the determinants.

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Participants generally agree on the requirement for antisymmetry in the total wavefunction but exhibit disagreement on the interpretation and implications of forming Slater determinants and the resulting spin states. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the relationships between the determinants and the spin configurations.

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Participants reference mathematical constructs and properties of wavefunctions without resolving the nuances of how these constructs interact with the definitions of singlet and triplet states. The discussion does not clarify certain assumptions or dependencies on the definitions used.

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Why the ground state HOMO level of a molecule with two opposite-spin electrons, is singlet while we know that a level with two opposite-spin electrons may be singlet(s=0,m=0) or triplet(s=1,m=0)?
 
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The total wavefunction has to be antisymmetric. For two electrons in one orbital ##\phi## the Slater determinant can be written as
##\begin{vmatrix} \phi(1)s_+(1)& \phi(1) s_-(1)\\ \phi(2)s_+(2) &\phi(2) s_-(2) \end{vmatrix}= N\phi(1)\phi(2)(s_+(1)s_-(2)-s_-(1)s_+(2))##
where N is a normalization constant and s_+ and s_- are up or down spin eigenfunctions.
So as the orbital part of the wavefunction can only be symmetric, the spin function has to be antisymmetric.
With two orbital functions, you can form two Slater determinants and also create triplet eigenfunctions, e.g.
##N(\phi_a(1)\phi_b(2)-\phi_b(1)\phi_a(2))(s_+(1)s_-(2)+s_-(1)s_+(2))##
 
DrDu said:
The total wavefunction has to be antisymmetric. For two electrons in one orbital ##\phi## the Slater determinant can be written as
##\begin{vmatrix} \phi(1)s_+(1)& \phi(1) s_-(1)\\ \phi(2)s_+(2) &\phi(2) s_-(2) \end{vmatrix}= N\phi(1)\phi(2)(s_+(1)s_-(2)-s_-(1)s_+(2))##
where N is a normalization constant and s_+ and s_- are up or down spin eigenfunctions.
So as the orbital part of the wavefunction can only be symmetric, the spin function has to be antisymmetric.
With two orbital functions, you can form two Slater determinants and also create triplet eigenfunctions, e.g.
##N(\phi_a(1)\phi_b(2)-\phi_b(1)\phi_a(2))(s_+(1)s_-(2)+s_-(1)s_+(2))##

Thanks for your excellent and exact answer. But it remains another question;
writing the slater determinant this way:
##\begin{vmatrix} \phi_a(1)s_+(1)& \phi_b(1) s_-(1)\\ \phi_a(2)s_+(2) &\phi_b(2) s_-(2) \end{vmatrix}##
how can you separate spin and orbital parts as
##N(\phi_a(1)\phi_b(2)-\phi_b(1)\phi_a(2))(s_+(1)s_-(2)+s_-(1)s_+(2))##?
 
As I said with two orbitals you can form two different Slater determinants. The wavefunction with definite spins I have written down are combinations of the two.
The second one being
##
\begin{vmatrix} \phi_a(1)s_-(1)& \phi_b(1) s_+(1)\\ \phi_a(2)s_-(2) &\phi_b(2) s_+(2) \end{vmatrix}
##
 
DrDu said:
As I said with two orbitals you can form two different Slater determinants. The wavefunction with definite spins I have written down are combinations of the two.
The second one being
##
\begin{vmatrix} \phi_a(1)s_-(1)& \phi_b(1) s_+(1)\\ \phi_a(2)s_-(2) &\phi_b(2) s_+(2) \end{vmatrix}
##
Excuse me. I didn't underestand what you mean by "with two orbitals you can form two different Slater determinants". Do you mean that
##
\begin{vmatrix} \phi_a(1)s_-(1)& \phi_b(1) s_+(1)\\ \phi_a(2)s_-(2) &\phi_b(2) s_+(2) \end{vmatrix}
##=##
\begin{vmatrix} \phi_a(1)& \phi_b(1)\\ \phi_a(2) &\phi_b(2) \end{vmatrix}
####
\begin{vmatrix} s_-(1)& \ s_+(1)\\ s_-(2) &\ s_+(2) \end{vmatrix}
##?
 
No. In post #3 you wrote down one of the two possible Slater determinants. In post #4 I posted the second one.
You should try to convince yourself that from these two determinants you can construct both the singlet and the triplet state.
 

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